Is there anything that says I cant "show" people how to build a mod?
Deeming Regulations have been released!!!!
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No,. There appears to be no criminalization of consumers. Yet. But I think that is inevitable and will happen within 3 years or so. Just an opinion based on the long history of government intrusion and the zeal in which the govt is waging war on us.
I think more of the average vapers are likely to be driven back into smoking rather than DIY. They may regulate freebase nicotine, and I really don't doubt that they will at some point in time, but I don't think they'll be hunting down people mixing for personal use. Now if they're mixing and selling, yep they'll get into a bind. I've no doubt about that.
I "suspect" that at some point in the near future, bulk nic will be limited to only those with a "Resale" license.
Nic is the bottleneck, without nic none of the hardware matters. Choke off the nic supply and you choke off the entire industry.
Not the entire industry. Young never smokers do not see nic as a requirement and there are already millions of them.
Very true. I always thought the easiest way to decimate the industry was simply take the ability of consumers to buy nic from multiple sources away from them. The hardware business dies by default. Yet there's multiple regs making stainless steel tubes, batteries and wire tobacco products but they leave the bulk nic alone. Makes no sense.
I tend to agree here. The goal is to control the majority of the industry. It's impossible to control all of it and would be insanely expensive and time consuming to do so. Does the FDA or any regulator really "care" about the fringe? Not when the masses are reigned in. I have a hunch that hardware shipped in small little packages from overseas won't be all that hard to get delivered. Could be wrong but I kinda doubt it. A shipping container would be a different story of course.
A very small minority of the vaping population has the means or desire to DIY. We really don't matter in the big picture. The top 3 priorities of stocking up right now are nic base, nic base, and nic base. A good assortment of reliable hardware would be smart as well. As stated my many people in these threads, batteries, wicking material, and coil material are going to be as cheap and easy to get as they are now basically forever. Things are going to become hard to get and also more expensive. But I mostly don't buy in to things becoming impossible to get except for high quality nic base.
The affect of a defacto ban will turn many vapers into quasi dealers as they help their friends by mixing juice for them, for example. That leads into a slippery slope of quasi commercial ventures. I could compare this to things we can't discuss here so I won't go there. But it's a good analogy.
Absolutely. That makes you a tobacco manufacturer in their eyes. I've warned my friends. If some choose not to listen I can't help them after these regs come into existence.
The U.S. today is a -vastly- different nation than it was fifty years ago when I was an aspiring young man. The people inhabiting the country are vastly different as well, they're -far- more tolerant of government missteps/mischief/lies. Freedom is but an illusion intended to pacify a willingly oblivious and easily distracted/divided citizenry. Those who make the mistake of impeding upon the government's goals/desires soon discover the truth of how things really work. Most American's believe life is just like television portrays, young minimum wage workers (who rarely are actually seen working) driving fancy new cars and living in million dollar homes, the good guy -always- wins in the end and lives happily ever after. Unfortunately, reality is quite different. Look at what the government is doing to vaping, without a shred of credible evidence that it causes any harm they're pushing the best smoking cessation method available into the same category as the lethal cigarettes it was successfully displacing. It's taken several years but with the help of corporate owned mainstream media, government contrived propaganda successfully demonized vaping in the eyes of the general public establishing broad support for what comes next, heavy regulation/taxation. The average citizen on the street thinks vaping is as bad or worse than smoking, wonder how/where they got that idea... BP and BT will reap profits as will state/federal government, a win-win for all who "truly" matter even if it results in many otherwise -preventable- cancer deaths. The government doesn't care about people's health, happiness or well being, they care only about public perception and work hard to manipulate it to their favor. Our government does whatever it wants, whenever it wants, to whomever it wants. They're manipulative, self-serving, coercive, deceptive, unaccountable, immune, greedy and untouchable. With our two current choices for president, I really don't see things getting better anytime soon.
That would make you a manufacturer, but if you kept it in the family (and he is trustworthy) you could get away with it.
Gray area. If you didn't touch the mod, didn't charge them and met in a backroom with a sign on the door that read, "Beware of the Leopard!" you might be okay. A secret escape tunnel would be prudent.
"Business," as in you charge for the workshops?
FDA has explained that establishments that mix or prepare e-liquids or create or modify aerosolizing apparatus for direct sale to consumers are tobacco product manufacturers under the definition set forth in the FD&C Act and, accordingly, are subject to the same legal requirements that apply to other tobacco product manufacturers.
In the FDA's limited vernacular, I'm sure an "aerosolizing apparatus" can be anything they deem it to be. Just like they deemed "aerosolizing" to be a word.
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Another issue:. In my state if you get caught bringing 10-15 cartons of cigs across the state line, that earns you an Intent To Distribute charge. For me, that was just personal use. But legally they did not have to prove any intent to distribute.Absolutely. That makes you a tobacco manufacturer in their eyes. I've warned my friends. If some choose not to listen I can't help them after these regs come into existence.
I'm trying to say that govt protecting exorbitant taxes can be more creative than the thoughts posted here...
I agreed with everything you said. However, it is clear one of the presidential candidates favors more regulations than the other.
It is almost a certainty that states will pursue any unpaid taxes from mail order that evades those taxes. Just like they do for cigs where they have gained access to cig sales invoices. Think about $1/ml tax on a liter of nic, for example...
They can't do that UNTIL it's deemed tobacco on the 8th right? Anything bought before that can't be taxed?
The "States" can do anything they want whenever they want with regard to all this. Indeed, many already have.
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