Deeming Regulations have been released!!!!

[mikepetro]

They can't do that UNTIL it's deemed tobacco on the 8th right? Anything bought before that can't be taxed?

They cant do it before the tax laws are on the books for the State. New tax laws are not retroactive.

 

[The Ocelot]

The affect of a defacto ban will turn many vapers into quasi dealers as they help their friends by mixing juice for them, for example. That leads into a slippery slope of quasi commercial ventures. I could compare this to things we can't discuss here so I won't go there. But it's a good analogy.

I was a curious and precocious child. I started smoking at 13, just before I moved to a new town and a new school, so you can't say it was peer pressure. I'm sure it was stress. I was also "gifted," so they made me skip a grade. That was a very bad plan. A 13-year-old freshman in high school doesn't fit in with older kids. A year ahead in maturity can make a big difference. However, like attracts like, so I met up with a few other stressed out teens who didn't fit in. Long story long, we never had trouble getting anything: cigarettes, booze and well, you know.

This was in the '70s, but I doubt very much has changed, except kids aren't as interested. Remember, there were no computers, hardly anyone had their own phone (which, of course, was a landline), parents didn't want to drive us anywhere and on my side of the town there was no bus service. We didn't even have a movie theater close by. There wasn't a whole lot to do, but test the boundaries of reality.

Kids have more ways to spend their time now. Computers, smartphones, social media, youtube, music on demand, video games, Netflix, etc. they don't have as much time to kill - and yet, people who try stuff, try stuff. There's no way around it, no matter how many warnings are in the media, what they hear in school or what their parents say. How else can one explain kids doing whatever they do with bubble bath and whippets?

 

[The Ocelot]

Ok, so is the truck now a "tobacco product" too?

What gauge wire do you use for the coils?

BTW, I can get you a deal on organic cotton.

 

[halonut]

I only included the accidents so as not to make it 100%, because certainty makes people nervous.

I don't know about harm reduction but in my estimation the 95% figure is pretty accurate as it pertains to one thing:

The percentage of the American population that has never heard of the FDA deeming regulations & has no idea that such a thing even exists.

 

[The Ocelot]

I'm sure nicotine is on the FDA's list for future regulation.

21 U.S. Code § 321 - Definitions; generally

• (1) The term “tobacco product” means any product made or derived from tobacco that is intended for human consumption, including any component, part, or accessory of a tobacco product (except for raw materials other than tobacco used in manufacturing a component, part, or accessory of a tobacco product).
  .
• (2) The term “tobacco product” does not mean an article that is a drug under subsection (g)(1), a device under subsection (h), or a combination product described in section 353(g) of this title. (This covers NRTs)
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• (3) The products described in paragraph (2) shall be subject to subchapter V of this chapter. (Also NRTs)
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• 4) A tobacco product shall not be marketed in combination with any other article or product regulated under this chapter (including a drug, biologic, food, cosmetic, medical device, or a dietary supplement).
  
  Even though it would seem that "raw materials other than tobacco" might indicate raw nicotine would be exempt, when you read the regs it frequently uses "tobacco" and "nicotine" interchangeably.

 

[Bronze]

I was a curious and precocious child. I started smoking at 13, just before I moved to a new town and a new school, so you can't say it was peer pressure. I'm sure it was stress. I was also "gifted," so they made me skip a grade. That was a very bad plan. A 13-year-old freshman in high school doesn't fit in with older kids. A year ahead in maturity can make a big difference. However, like attracts like, so I met up with a few other stressed out teens who didn't fit in. Long story long, we never had trouble getting anything: cigarettes, booze and well, you know.

This was in the '70s, but I doubt very much has changed, except kids aren't as interested. Remember, there were no computers, hardly anyone had their own phone (which, of course, was a landline), parents didn't want to drive us anywhere and on my side of the town there was no bus service. We didn't even have a movie theater close by. There wasn't a whole lot to do, but test the boundaries of reality.

Kids have more ways to spend their time now. Computers, smartphones, social media, youtube, music on demand, video games, Netflix, etc. they don't have as much time to kill - and yet, people who try stuff, try stuff. There's no way around it, no matter how many warnings are in the media, what they hear in school or what their parents say. How else can one explain kids doing whatever they do with bubble bath and whippets?

The only thing more worrisome than a curious kid is an incurious kid.

 

[halonut]

The only thing more worrisome than a curious kid is an incurious kid.

or kids that don't know what capture the flag or a whiffle ball is...hey that's my kids!

 

[halonut]

I fear for the generations who have no idea of who Gilligan is

 

[Bronze]

I fear for the generations who have no idea of who Gilligan is

I remember MaryAnne.

 

[crxess]

20% of 12th graders have "been drunk" in the last 30 days vs 16% that vaped. Of that 16%, 65% only vaped flavors - no nicotine.

Wow..........Amazing how simple it is to Prove Anti's are attempting to Demonize Teen Flavor enjoyment and Safer Teen subculture Expressiveness.

Teen Lemmings, BACK IN LINE!!!!

 

[The Ocelot]

I remember MaryAnne.

I remember Dobie Gillis. But I watched the reruns

 

[crxess]

Ok, so is the truck now a "tobacco product" too?

New Kayfun 333 prefilled Lifetime Tank

 

[coldgin96]

I remember MaryAnne.

When I was in the 4th grade, I used to literally run home from school during Raquel Welch week to catch her movies @ 4PM. I was to young to know why what happened to me every time I saw her, I just knew I liked it.

 

[halonut]

I fear for the generations who have no idea of who Gilligan is

I remember MaryAnne.

MmmmmaryAnne

 

[Bronze]

When I was in the 4th grade, I used to literally run home from school during Raquel Welch week to catch her movies @ 4PM. I was to young to know why what happened to me every time I saw her, I just knew I liked it.

 

[halonut]

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wow...that "4th grade thing" just happened

 

[Bronze]

And now back to regularly scheduled programming....

 

[halonut]

 

[Coldrake]

I remember Dobie Gillis. But I watched the reruns

Same here. I also remember the names of all the actors on Leave it to Beaver, including Frank Bank as "Lumpy".

 

[nicnik]

No kidding. The Reuters guy is just paraphrasing press releases, but who knows, maybe he'll want to write a breakout article.

Our best hope is reaching the press. In a way, they have failed us the most, as some have said. They are supposed to be the ones to keep an eye out for, and inform the people of, the kind of government and corporate corruption we've been attacked with.

We probably stand a much better chance of getting through to journalists, than to Government officials.