Deeming Regulations have been released!!!!

[HazyShades]

With a little digging it's not hard to find contact numbers.

LOL..
DRUDGE REPORT 2016® LOL. Throw Alex Jones in there too...
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[The Ocelot]

The media hated Nixon and that's why Woodward & Bernstein got traction. The media is aligned with tobacco control. The story will never see the the light of day. And believe me, I hope I'm wrong.

One never knows.

"The media" are companies. Writers work for them. (I'm purposely excluding talking heads from this rant.) While some writers may find working for a media outlet a cushy job where they can paraphrase press releases, just as many, if not more, consider it a gig. It just pays the bills, while they try to write something that impacts the world.

 

[VNeil]

But what if the narrative changed from "tobacco control" to "citizen control"?

Someone posted a chart showing how 6 corporations own 90% of the popular media. Those 6 corporations are run by 6 individuals. Who have decided that there will be a total lock down on anything pro-vape.

Prove me wrong. Nothing would make me happier.

 

[Yiana]

LOL..
DRUDGE REPORT 2016® LOL. Throw Alex Jones in there too...
The Bureau of Investigative Journalism
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That is what I am talking about. I was just listening to Alex Jones today. We need to gather up everything and email him. Also Drudge Report is a great site since he links so many articles.

 

[The Ocelot]

So.......... How did they get past this?


More Guess work and that Tall Skinny ............ IF

If Pigs could FLY, Bacon would be Self Serving

I really miss the Sixties...............We refused to put up with Government Crap!

Because they are the FDA and don't need no stinking badges.

 

[Yiana]

Someone posted a chart showing how 6 corporations own 90% of the popular media. Those 6 corporations are run by 6 individuals. Who have decided that there will be a total lock down on anything pro-vape.

Prove me wrong. Nothing would make me happier.

That is a really great post he made. It really breaks it down to people. And the scary thing is, it is the truth.

 

[VNeil]

One never knows.

"The media" are companies. Writers work for them. (I'm purposely excluding talking heads from this rant.) While some writers may find working for a media outlet a cushy job where they can paraphrase press releases, just as many, if not more, consider it a gig. It just pays the bills, while they try to write something that impacts the world.

You're assuming that any of those writers have the ability to write a story that their CEO does not want written.

 

[The Ocelot]

You're assuming that any of those writers have the ability to write a story that their CEO does not want written.

They aren't stupid. If they've been writing for a publication they know what flies and what doesn't. That's the time to shop the story. While it doesn't pay well for little fish, freelancing can be rewarding.

 

[VNeil]

They aren't stupid. If they've been writing for a publication they know what flies and what doesn't. That's the time to shop the story. While it doesn't pay well for little fish, freelancing can be rewarding.

Writers have zero say in what is printed in the popular media. They just write stories. Editors decide what is "fit to print". Those editors print what their CEO's want printed. It all goes back to the consolidation of the media on the hands of a half dozen individuals.

Thirty years ago the popular media was owned by a hundred different businesses and back then it was harder to move in lock step. But that is not the case today.

But please, prove me wrong. Find a writer that can get the story across the front page of a major newspaper like the NY Times. Or CNN. There are thousands of writers. Surely some are vapers and see what we clearly see. How hard can it be?

 

[crxess]

This should Not be America.........Where Governments, and Big Corporations fight over what to Take away or Tax Next. This is Russian Failure.

But it sure Looks Familiar

What ever happened to Live and Let Live

 

[Yiana]

Writers have zero say in what is printed in the popular media. They just write stories. Editors decide what is "fit to print". Those editors print what their CEO's want printed. It all goes back to the consolidation of the media on the hands of a half dozen individuals.

Thirty years ago the popular media was owned by a hundred different businesses and back then it was harder to move in lock step. But that is not the case today.

But please, prove me wrong. Find a writer that can get the story across the front page of a major newspaper like the NY Times. Or CNN. There are thousands of writers. Surely some are vapers and see what we clearly see. How hard can it be?

America is ran by corporations now. So the media is basically the "state sponsored media" They are told what to say and "report" on.

 

[KODIAK (TM)]

I'm not holding my breath that Sen. Johnson will have a significant impact on the FDA, but I appreciate his questions and common sense. I welcome anything that will get our perspective attention.

I hear you loud and clear but I fear Johnson's rants will only be dismissed as yet more self serving, right-wing, partisan talking points which we hear from both sides every election cycle. I have zero faith in Congress. Out with the lot of 'em.

My advice is for everyone to be on the lookout for the right legal front to support via donations. By the time any politician takes care of this we'll all be sucking on old gym socks taped to flashlights powered by AAA batteries.

 

[VNeil]

They aren't stupid. If they've been writing for a publication they know what flies and what doesn't. That's the time to shop the story. While it doesn't pay well for little fish, freelancing can be rewarding.

The freelancers are going to sell their Story Of The Century to... who? Some fringe publication that has no "public credibility" and no popular readership? To the NY Times? And the story is going to be bought by the same NY Times editors that would stonewall the story from one of it's own writers?

The Story of The Century is not about the gov't sponsored mass murder of 32 million smokers. The story is about the media censuring that story. But then, who is going to print THAT story??

 

[VNeil]

America is ran by corporations now. So the media is basically the "state sponsored media" They are told what to say and "report" on.

I'm not sure who is telling who what to do. It could be the tail wagging the dog for all we know. But it doesn't matter because the end result is the same.

 

[paulw2014]

I wonder what effect the FDA regulation will have on clones released after 8/9?

Say an authentic gets released in July, and gets the two or three year grace period. Later, someone clones it and get it out in October. Doesn't this make it easy for the authentic maker to "report" the clone to the FDA? Technically that's not the same products since it's from two different manufacturers.

I asked the FDA and they said manufacturers can use receipts and other time stamped documents to prove that a product was out before 8/9

 

[nicnik]

The freelancers are going to sell their Story Of The Century to... who? Some fringe publication that has no "public credibility" and no popular readership? To the NY Times? And the story is going to be bought by the same NY Times editors that would stonewall the story from one of it's own writers?

It's gotta get awfully tempting for some editors to say to hell with their sponsors and bosses, and start breaking the story in a big way. Nothing else has been helping with the decline of their industry, and the decline in their stature. Any chance of rogue reporters and rogue editors teaming up?

The Story of The Century is not about the gov't sponsored mass murder of 32 million smokers. The story is about the media censuring that story.

Good point.

But then, who is going to print THAT story??

Good question.

Do you think it will never happen, or just not for a very long time?

 

[The Ocelot]

This should Not be America.........Where Governments, and Big Corporations fight over what to Take away or Tax Next. This is Russian Failure.

But it sure Looks Familiar

What ever happened to Live and Let Live

Oh God, this is so bad! Forgive me, please forgive me...but this is the first thing that popped into my mind.

 

[The Ocelot]

I hear you loud and clear but I fear Johnson's rants will only be dismissed as yet more self serving, right-wing, partisan talking points which we hear from both sides every election cycle. I have zero faith in Congress. Out with the lot of 'em.

My advice is for everyone to be on the lookout for the right legal front to support via donations. By the time any politician takes care of this we'll all be sucking on old gym socks taped to flashlights powered by AAA batteries.

I'm on the lookout for anything, anywhere. Media, legislative, judicial, 99 red balloons - I'm on a mission.

 

[lauragal]

I could be wrong, but I don't think I am - the FDA regs and vaping "news" has come and gone as far as the media is concerned. It is old news to them - they have already moved on. Most of the population couldn't care less - there is nothing to sensationalize.

IMO, our only chance is in the courts, and that could take a long time.

 

[Kent C]

Even if corporations control the media, writers still write. Someone somewhere will come up with a new catch phrase then you will see it everywhere. "Nicotine is Poison" is so May.

They've recycled all the rest, no reason to believe they wouldn't with poison.