Deeming Regulations have been released!!!!

[Yiana]

And if you think bulk nic will be left alone, you're dreaming too. Just how much are you willing to pay for that liter of 100mg nic base? Or, more likely, the 100ml bottle of 24mg nic base that you might be allowed to purchase?

This is what I think as well. I'm pretty positive they will deem that amount as manufacturing and want a license to do it. Hell, that is why we need to make sure we have enough nic before August 9th.

 

[VNeil]

If you honestly believe that vape shops and online retailers will be (or should be) allowed to sell ejuice with nicotine without collecting a sin tax, you are dreaming. A $2-3/bottle tax would be acceptable to most considering $0.50+/ml is already in place in a few locations. The vape industry will not be "left alone". Taxation is a given. If the juice sellers want to lower their insanely high margins to eat the tax, good on them.

I don't buy much store bought juice, but I would not worry too much about paying $17 vs. $15 for a 30ml when I did.

Yes, I honestly believe there should be no sin tax on a product without any known sin. Really. And to believe otherwise is a major cave in to the propaganda. It is a smoking cessation device regardless what the FDA dictates it be called. And a highly effective one based on the govt's own statistics.

 

[leftyandsparky]

He's glad his mom and dad aren't smoking and is happy we are vaping. He gets it but just trying to be funny. There are some hilarious memes out there. The Bear Gryls one about vaping his pee when he is out of juice is a personal favorite.

Too funny!

 

[Lessifer]

Take the new WV tax that just passed. $.075/ml on the surface doesn't sound all that bad. 75c for a 10ml bottle, $2.25 for a 30ml bottle. Then look at the section on DIY components, tax applied to the amount of finished eliquid that can be made as determined by the tax commissioner. Let's say they're generous and go by 24mg liquid, that would be $312.50 on a liter bottle of 100mg nic base, $625 if they make the calculation using 12mg/ml.

Oh yeah, and that $10 refill pack of vuse cartridges, each is less than 1ml, so a two pack, get's taxed at $0.15.

Any tax should be fought, because none of them are "reasonable."

 

[Str8vision]

Our best hope is reaching the press. In a way, they have failed us the most, as some have said. They are supposed to be the ones to keep an eye out for, and inform the people of, the kind of government and corporate corruption we've been attacked with.

We probably stand a much better chance of getting through to journalists, than to Government officials.

It's wishful thinking on my part, I think. I've pretty much agreed before with the thinking that the courts are our best hope. I wish that were a speedier process. In the case of exposure from the press, the corruption could be exposed to the masses more quickly, but I guess they are unlikely to be the ones to take it on, initially.

I'm afraid America lost its "free press" a decade ago, the days of Edward Murrow and Walter Cronkite are -long- gone. Mainstream media in the U.S. is now owned by a handful of corporations and they tend to report the government's official line almost verbatim. This is why they continue running malicious stories about the "harmful effects" of vaping even though no credible source has detected -any- harm associated with it at all. One sided reporting isn't by accident, coincidence or lack of knowledge but by intent/design. This is how/why the general public came to believe vaping is as bad or worse than smoking, people tend to believe what they hear over and over and over again. Gaining broad pubic support was a necessary prerequisite to heavily regulating/taxing a harmful item that isn't harmful. Truth and fact become -completely irrelevant- so long as "perception" is fully on your side. I really see no reason to believe the U.S. press will reverse course and suddenly become objective in their reporting on this issue.

 

[Pamawoman]

Really? OK.

But did you like the letter on FB? Shared? Did you write a thank you note to the the Senator and the committee? If not, would you consider doing it for the rest of us, even if you think that nothing will happen? Thank you.

Contact | Homeland Security & Governmental Affairs Committee

"All that is necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing."

Done. Again!

 

[crxess]

If you honestly believe that vape shops and online retailers will be (or should be) allowed to sell ejuice with nicotine without collecting a sin tax, you are dreaming. A $2-3/bottle tax would be acceptable to most considering $0.50+/ml is already in place in a few locations. The vape industry will not be "left alone". Taxation is a given. If the juice sellers want to lower their insanely high margins to eat the tax, good on them.

I don't buy much store bought juice, but I would not worry too much about paying $17 vs. $15 for a 30ml when I did.

Taxation is Bull plain and Simple.
Justification for Tobacco Tax and TT increases<<<Smoking Cessation>>> Raise Cost to Reduce Smoker Health Risk(yea, right)

What is the Justification - Scientifically Proven for Taxing E-Liquids? This BS needs to See the Courts Non-Stop until it is Stopped! It is UNJUST TAXATION!!!!!

Tea PARTY TIME! <<<< Not the Political type party

 

[Kent C]

the days of Edward Murrow and Walter Cronkite are -long- gone.

Actually, they were just as biased as today's anchors in mainstream major media. The difference is there was no comparable opposition. Their views had the monopoly on ABC, CBS and NBC.

One sided reporting isn't by accident, coincidence or lack of knowledge but by intent/design.

It's more about where they were educated - and that is where much of the intent/design is. Columbia and other "Journalistic" schools have the same agenda as most Ivy League and other similar universities around the nation.

 

[Bronze]

I'm afraid America lost its "free press" a decade ago, the days of Edward Murrow and Walter Cronkite are -long- gone. Mainstream media in the U.S. is now owned by a handful of corporations and they tend to report the government's official line almost verbatim. This is why they continue running malicious stories about the "harmful effects" of vaping even though no credible source has detected -any- harm associated with it at all. One sided reporting isn't by accident, coincidence or lack of knowledge but by intent/design. This is how/why the general public came to believe vaping is as bad or worse than smoking, people tend to believe what they hear over and over and over again. Gaining broad pubic support was a necessary prerequisite to heavily regulating/taxing a harmful item that isn't harmful. Truth and fact become -completely irrelevant- so long as "perception" is fully on your side. I really see no reason to believe the U.S. press will reverse course and suddenly become objective in their reporting on this issue.

Let me qualify your statement just slightly. You said these handful of media corps tend to report the government's official line almost verbatim. Yes this is partially true. They report it when it expands the role of government. If the current government (or future governments) proposed something that reduced its power they would not report it or, if they did, denounce it. The media (not including those media who do not hide their political persuasions) is made mostly of quasi socialists. And this is the angle they will report.

 

[BreSha6869]

And if you think bulk nic will be left alone, you're dreaming too. Just how much are you willing to pay for that liter of 100mg nic base? Or, more likely, the 100ml bottle of 24mg nic base that you might be allowed to purchase?

I agree with this 100%. I would doubt a consumer will even be able to legal buy a litre of 100mg NIC in a couple of years.

I have 4 litres of 100mg for my wife and I in the freezer so I am set, but any DIYers that don't have a supply of NIC should get off their butts ASAP IMO.

 

[VNeil]

The FDA says any evidence of the effectiveness of e-cigarettes is "anecdotal".

According to this NCHS Data Brief, dated October 2015...

http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/databriefs/db217.pdf

"nearly one in four recent former cigarette smokers (22.0%) currently used e-cigarettes"

(recent former smokers defined as those that quit within the past year)

So the FDA has airbrushed out almost a quarter of the 2013-2014 class of quitters. All the ex smokers that effectively used e-cigarettes to quit. Simply breathtaking Orwellian Doublespeak. And unlike Winston Smith's airbrushing, this is done in plain sight. That document comes up on top of just about any google search of e-cigarette usage statistics.

But wait, there's more...

According to this CDC document...

https://www.cdc.gov/tobacco/statean...information-on-e-cigarettes-november-2015.pdf

"For adult smokers to benefit from e-cigarettes, they must completely quit combusted tobacco use. Smoking even a few cigarettes per day is dangerous to health."

So apparently, going from 2 packs/day to 2 cigs a day accomplishes nothing at all.

 

[Bronze]

Ever see a news broadcast cover anyone who proposed cuts to entitlement programs (and not even cuts....just a reduction in the future increases). They are universally crucified in the main stream media.

 

[beckdg]

If you honestly believe that vape shops and online retailers will be (or should be) allowed to sell ejuice with nicotine without collecting a sin tax, you are dreaming.

Who's side are you on?

Tapatyped

 

[wiredlove]

I agree with this 100%. I would doubt a consumer will even be able to legal buy a litre of 100mg NIC in a couple of years.

I have 4 litres of 100mg for my wife and I in the freezer so I am set, but any DIYers that don't have a supply of NIC should get off their butts ASAP IMO.

Only 4?

 

[crxess]

Who's side are you on?

Tapatyped

Thank you!

We might Get Taxed, but we should Fight like Hell to have it Revoked.

 

[DC2]

It's a shame that Stossel didn't connect the dots to the real agenda: Maintaining tobacco tax revenues and other smoking related revenue streams such as chemo.

That Stossel piece was written all the way back in 2011 and since then the dots have changed.
Back then, vaping wasn't threatening the tax base all that much.

Things ramped up big time when the tax income started dropping.
And then it was REALLY game on.

Interesting that is the closest the "nearly" mainstream media has come.
Wonder why it's been mostly silence since then?

Hmmmm....

 

[Lacit1707]

just have a random question about the regs etc...

will companies manufacturing in China have to follow these regs? Kanger Coils for example. Will we be able to buy them from China even if these regs are put in place?

 

[Woofer]

Tea PARTY TIME! <<<< Not the Political type party

I suggested long ago that American vapers organise a national vape day protest and just do one simple thing, don't show up for work.

 

[DC2]

And my comments were not intended in any way to impugn the individuals who run the organization, but rather that the organizations itself is not up to the task- despite being, perhaps, the only/best hope we have.

CASAA is far from the only hope we have.
Nor even the best hope we have.

The courts are the best hope we have, and CASAA is working on that.
The Congress is the best hope we have, and CASAA is working on that too.

The public is really, really, the best hope we have though.
But unfortunately, CASAA is not working on that because, well, they can't.

And if they can, I'm sure they could use some suggestions for under $1 million.
The media refuses to allow our voices to be heard.

That's the real problem.

Respectfully, this is NOT the time to point fingers at a given "organization" and or "leader" in a public forum where these kinds of thoughts may diminish the effectiveness of our collective fight. Think of an increase in apathy. If you have thoughts then the best way is to send an email/form to the respective "organization" and or "leader" jam packed with respectful, candid, and civil details.

Yes, what you said.

 

[DC2]

I'm printing this out and taking it with me to my Bunco group tonight to try it out. I'm just thinking we might need to be open to a different approach. We NEED everyone on our side. The public option needs some changing.

I'd love to hear how that goes over, if you wouldn't mind posting an update.