Deeming Regulations have been released!!!!

[Steamix]

just have a random question about the regs etc...

will companies manufacturing in China have to follow these regs? Kanger coils for example. Will we be able to buy them from China even if these regs are put in place?

Did a fair share of purchases from China - not just vape gear.

Seems it's preprinted on their labels - anything from a single paperclip to a turnkey ore processing plant - it always says 'electronic components - value US$ 3.95

So call them submersible resistors, and take your chances.
Private, non-commerical imports is one thing.

Authorized distributor another.

I think we can learn a thing or two from our vaping brethren from the 'fine city' , they're dealing with this situation since day one

 

[crxess]

Do kids still play tetherball at recess or is it too dangerous?

Only the Protected ones!

 

[The Ocelot]

last person I saw playing tetherball was Napoleon Dynamite.

er...I had to Google that.

 

[The Ocelot]

Only the Protected ones!

That kid better be wearing sunscreen or DCS will get involved.

 

[Kent C]

They did provide a number based on long term quitters (those who quit more than one year ago). 2.3% of those long term quitters vaped. But presumably that includes everyone who ever quit, even 40 years ago. So kind of a meaningless number without better granularity. The report seemed far more interested in e-cig usage differences among race, ethnicity and even LGBT sub-groups. Sigh.

It would have been interesting to include statistics (among recent quitters) of the methods used- gum, patch, e-cig, Chantix, etc. I suspect they did not dare do that because the efficacy of e-cigs would have stood out like a searchlight.

There was another "study" (also Glantz) where Peter Hajek et al. address the 'cessation' aspect: (posted by Bill G in another forum):

http://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanres/article/PIIS2213-2600(16)30024-8/fulltext

"However in the studies that form the core of Kalkhoran and Glantz's meta-analysis, all these successful quitters were excluded."

One way to skew the study on cessation Lies include lies of omission. :- )

 

[Steamix]

....-cig, Chantix, etc. I suspect they did not dare do that because the efficacy of e-cigs would have stood out like a searchlight.

Spot on

Check the graph on page 99 of the RCP report.

Guess it wouldn't look much different with the numbers from the US instead of the UK

 

[nineironman]

Kinda like when someone who is happy with the price of gas because it is below $3.00 a gallon. I personally remember paying .17 cents a gallon and in the scheme of things, it wasn't all that long ago.

I remember .38 cents same as a pack of smokes. Irony

 

[rocketman29]

Interesting article:

U.S. Supreme Court rejects GlaxoSmithKline; FDA e-cig regulations under further scrutiny

 

[jmur]

There should be a "like x2" button on my keyboard...

 

[nineironman]

Who's side are you on?

Tapatyped

We are on the same side, but Ceaser will be paid his due.
This will be for His continued benevolence

 

[crxess]

U.S. Supreme Court rejects GlaxoSmithKline; FDA e-cig regulations under further scrutiny

Easily to mis-read and therefor misleading headline. Sounds like something they do.
Anyway, we have been Screaming for who knows how long, Califf and Zeller are likely dirty in this. Looks like the SC will have to sort it out........and I really hope they do..........to the max.

We need an insider to spring a Leak

 

[JAL]

There was another "study" (also Glantz) where Peter Hajek et al. address the 'cessation' aspect: (posted by Bill G in another forum):

http://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanres/article/PIIS2213-2600(16)30024-8/fulltext

"However in the studies that form the core of Kalkhoran and Glantz's meta-analysis, all these successful quitters were excluded."

One way to skew the study on cessation Lies include lies of omission. :- )

I think this quote sums up their feelings on the matter :

“MERE ACCUMULATION OF OBSERVATIONAL EVIDENCE IS NOT PROOF.”

Excerpt From: Pratchett, Terry. “Hogfather.” HarperCollins, 1996-01-01T23:00:00+00:00. iBooks.
This material may be protected by copyright.

 

[Katya]

Interesting article:

U.S. Supreme Court rejects GlaxoSmithKline; FDA e-cig regulations under further scrutiny

"GlaxoSmithKline is accused of manipulating scientific literature, falsifying advertisement campaigns, and issuing misleading statements about the drug in order to increase sales."

"For many in the vaping industry, the Machiavellian partnership between Big Pharma and The FDA is one that cannot be ignored any longer. Hamburg’s recent lawsuit involving the RICO charges seems to show a continuous abuse of authority that dates back as far as 1996. And the FDA’s consistent hiring of Big Pharm ex-employees seems to indicate another significant conflict of interest, as well."

Thanks Rocketman. Made my evening.

 

[beckdg]

The side that is based in reality.

Reality being that vaping nic is NOT clinically proven to be 100% safe and yes.... It contains nicotine. SNUs, nic gum, nic inhalers and even smoking cessitation drugs are taxed. Why should eLiquid be different? Sucks, but it IS enevitable.

IMO taxing mods, wire and premade coils is akin to taxing rolling papers and BBQ lighters, but that isn't what I am talking about.

If millions of people start and continue vaping nic, do you honestly think ANY government anywhere will let any vape company manufacture and/or sell millions of dollars of product containing NIC and not tax it?

I vape and don't smoke and vaping will save/extend my life (unless I get hit by a bus) but thinking things won't change in the vaping industry is just being foolish.

Be prepared or pay a fortune for eJuice moving forward. Simple. OR vape gas station BT cigalikes.

It's not food. It will be taxed.

Though it's not a sin, an exorbitant luxury or a grave danger.

A fair tax would be a standard tax.

Anything more is a ruse shrouded by an enigma delivered in a pack of lies while crapping on what America was founded on only to wipe with the bill of rights.

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Tapatyped

 

[The Ocelot]

Interesting article:

U.S. Supreme Court rejects GlaxoSmithKline; FDA e-cig regulations under further scrutiny

Good find!

 

[Scotticus93]

Bush administration said it, but Rothschild said it best .........



Why are you and your friends "flip flopping" ? you will have way better choices than vuse for the next two years at the very least ? now what your state does meanwhile, might be a different story ..............
The big five are doing more than you know, as far as litigation money .........

I thought there were 3 BT companies and idk. I know for me. Quitting was hard until I got a high powered setup. I know I can stock up in 2 years. But what about people after that who wanna try vaping. And aren't people just gonna sell their mods on craigslist. What is the government gonna do come take our mods. I think after the effective date should need approval. If anything. That would make more sense.

 

[crxess]

My Belief in Supporting Vapers is in Peril ATM.



I hope he has not Bred

 

[The Ocelot]

My Belief in Supporting Vapers is in Peril ATM.



I hope he has not Bred

Much, much better at 0.5 speed. Especially since I didn't realize he said "Carolina Reaper." I'd never heard of that before and had to Google it. He's insane

 

[nicnik]

We need an insider to spring a Leak

Yup, we do.

 

[r055co]

My Belief in Supporting Vapers is in Peril ATM.



I hope he has not Bred

Darwin applies here

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