Deeming Regulations have been released!!!!
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And this is the reason that most of the users of vape products who are not in the business end of producing, etc. are participating very little in the war. They all have heard or witnessed the in-fighting and want no part of it. All they(we) wanted was a good product at a reasonable price. And that's how DIY was born for ejuice because we didn't know who to trust, etc. And now, when everyone should step up, they won't because they have heard the same ole song and dance pony show from those who are suppose to be leaders.
I would disagree. Unless you are a vaper who is deeply involved within the online vaping community you would be unaware of the majority of the in-house fighting and I think generally being unaware and knowledgeably informed is the top reason most all vapers in the US, manufactures/vendors included, are not involved in the war, followed closely by knowing what to do to effectively aid in that fight.
@Racehorse is right in the fact that manufactures/vendors held the most power to fight this fight and when trade groups began to be formed years ago most all manufactures/vendors opted out. Even today a just a pittance of the vape businesses that exist have joined ranks counting on (leaving) others to fight the fight. The bigger manufactures/vendors who took the initiative years ago might survive this, good on them, too bad for us.
I don't think this thread is dieing I just think that until 08/08 or some movement with the court cases or legislation the most we can do is support each other's morale and efforts locally and nationally. As I said this feels like the calm before the storm.
I was speaking more to the users of online forums that are in fact aware, but choose to do nothing. I mean look at the stats of how many members this forum has. And look at numbers who actually are active within these forums. Big difference. Those that have signed up for membership but only visit once or twice are aware that they can get info here on just about anything vape related, but apparently for whatever reason choose not to return.
Well you know what forum is always bumping: hardware: tanks. I wonder if there is a way to get info into those threads without hijacking the post?
I know I have gone into one and went on a rant about talking about what level of vaping you use or this tank for that tank could very well be a moot point soon. Heck I wonder if the mods would let me start one like: "where are all of these new tanks and mods coming from? Ask the FDA" and then include in the OP some informative links as well ask thread related questions like; what new tank are you looking forward to before the market freezes and changes on 08/08/2016? I think the biggest issue I have noticed is not willful non-participation. But rather no knowledge of what REALLY is going on.
You are right in that many members find a 'home' here in specific threads and some never venture out into the rest of ecf. Had not really thought about that aspect of it. Good catch. I don't know if the mods would object or not. I am sure they will weigh in on it.
Not to be a debbie downer but I have talked to countless people online, social media and locals, many I helped start vaping. Even family members and friends and they won't get involved. I hear things like, "well, I better go to my local B&M and buy a bunch of liquid, can you make me some if I need it?" Some tell me they will just stop vaping if it comes to no availability. So I dunno what the answer is but I am getting disheartened by it all.
People on the right by nature do not like government and, therefore, avoid it (this includes protesting it) and simply want to be left alone. Those on the left, however, like government and are far more active as it pertains to changing/increasing government. This is a generalization but fundamentally true.
What's the saying? The squeaky wheel gets the grease?
Agreed with your assessment. But hasn't it always been that way? Most of the people just want someone else to do it. But they sure like the rewards when those few who do step up actually make a difference. It must be in some peoples dna, cause it makes no sense to me. But then, I have always been a doer, a go-getter type of person.
There is a giant demographic in the wilderness who simply accept whatever is thrown at them. They are not interested in making change. They simply accept what is and what will be.
Sounds like it. You're not alone. I know many, many, many people who simply live in their own little worlds. Discussions are limited to whatever is going on in the room they're sitting in. Go beyond those walls and they get the deer in the headlights look on their face.
Heck just go to any vape expo/convention type gathering where the enthusiast in-the-know hobbiest type vapers attend, at most of the ones across the US over the last year (+) advocates were invited to attend and give information to the attendees and the majority of those attendees could not be bothered to go, listen and become informed by them, too busy getting free juice I guess. I know at one convention the advocates were replaced with a cloud contest because events were running a bit behind schedule... soooo there you go.
Frankly, many of those interested in finding information on hardware and eliquid, find the insertion of politics and warnings into those forums offensive. For a long time, those 'threads' were swiftly moved to here or elsewhere - media/regulations/legislation. They were considered (and were) "Off Topic". Now, not so much. Some 'top threads' on call for actions are in all forums now, but they're done by admin not some "self-appointed activists" who think everyone should be as concerned as they are. (even though perhaps everyone should be, but everyone isn't). And it's as offensive as bringing up religion in a social conversation.
Eventually some in those hardware/eliquid forums begin to realize what's happening and some (not all) will be drawn to these threads. Same is basically true for vendors. Some will make what they can - and move to some other product if products are banned. I have no argument with that. Some will join groups to fight the regulations/taxes. I have no argument with that either. Some 'activists' have a lot to say, but I wonder how much they actually do. How much of the money they've saved from not smoking is going to the lawsuits? Where were those who hate BT now, when smoking was being attacked in the same manner that vaping is now??
Anyone got a link to either the news story or video where Zeller mentioned they would have boots ready to hit the ground 8/8? I know I saw it but can't find the link.
Deeming Regulations have been released!!!!
Much info here in this video posted here: (not Zeller, but Zeller's team)
FDA Webinar
This is the closest I can find but it was only a preliminary search...
FDA Issues New Regulations for E-Cigarettes and Other Tobacco Products
Well, at least there is a tiny ray of light shinning in Indiana now. Here's the email I just got from Hoosier Cigs:
GOOD NEWS INDIANA CUSTOMERS!...sort of.
CONFIRMED FROM THE INDIANA ATC
Retailers CAN sell NON COMPLIANT e-liquid that was manufactured in the "gap period (July 1, 2015 to June 30, 2016) untilSeptember 1, 2016!
Here's an excerpt from the new Indiana ATC FAQ on E-Liquids below....
D. However, in light of the two reasonable interpretations of that statutory provision and that the ATC’s published inconsistent directives on that topic the ISEP will extend a period of educational enforcement for 60 days beginning June 30, 2016. During that time you will be allowed to sell or remove from your shelves non-compliant product that was manufactured after July 1, 2015 and before June 30, 2016."
We will be making all "gap period" liquids available to Indiana customers today All of our brands, except Hoosier House Blends will be available effective immediately. But Hoosier House Blends will be available again very soon, more on that later.
(I tried to recolor it like the email).
Hardly earth shattering, but the state actually backed off just a tad after being challenged. Glad they can at least sell their inventory rather than take a loss on it.
GOOD NEWS INDIANA CUSTOMERS!...sort of.
CONFIRMED FROM THE INDIANA ATC
Retailers CAN sell NON COMPLIANT e-liquid that was manufactured in the "gap period (July 1, 2015 to June 30, 2016) untilSeptember 1, 2016!
Here's an excerpt from the new Indiana ATC FAQ on E-Liquids below....
D. However, in light of the two reasonable interpretations of that statutory provision and that the ATC’s published inconsistent directives on that topic the ISEP will extend a period of educational enforcement for 60 days beginning June 30, 2016. During that time you will be allowed to sell or remove from your shelves non-compliant product that was manufactured after July 1, 2015 and before June 30, 2016."
We will be making all "gap period" liquids available to Indiana customers today All of our brands, except Hoosier House Blends will be available effective immediately. But Hoosier House Blends will be available again very soon, more on that later.
(I tried to recolor it like the email).
Hardly earth shattering, but the state actually backed off just a tad after being challenged. Glad they can at least sell their inventory rather than take a loss on it.
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