Deeming Regulations have been released!!!!

[Racehorse]

I know many, many, many people who simply live in their own little worlds.

Well, since you brought it up, may I also offer that many people on "hobby vaping" forums are also living in their own little worlds.

While reading about people stockpiling, for instance, spending thousands and thousands of $$ (which most people don't have at their ready) to those who own 10-70 "mods", please understand that most of the population of the US is really not even *REMOTELY* interested in doing any of this.

Here, there is big concerns. I'm on many other topic-specific forums and most people are busy trying to figure out how to balance the chemistry in their pool, or how to figure out the 5 generation pedigrees of horses who will come from all over the world to run in the Breeders Cup.

But at least they seem to realize that their "interests" are niche-level interests.

While we have certain activists here telling us who to vote for for POTUS, strictly based on the one-issue "vaping" thing. :rolls eyes:

As for membership, there are many vapers who just bought an evod kit (nice little kit!) and have never found the need to upgrade. Others were members here, used vaping to get off cigs, then lowered their nic levels and stopped vaping as well. Smoking and vaping is in their distant past.

All I'm saying is that not everybody desires to get into vaping at the level hobby vapers do, and not everybody feels that all this regulation is the "end of the world" for them. They don't carry their ecig around 24/7, they don't need it all day, they can go on an airplane w/out worrying about vaping, etc. etc.

Vaping is something that happens at MANY DIFFERENT LEVELS. And, just as there are political and social issues that I strongly believe in, there is not enough time in the day to DEDICATE myself to all of them.

I do and help with a lot of dog rescue. That is my thing. Changing the laws and pushing for serious consquences for negligent and abusive dog (and horse) owners is a full time political effort, esp in the southern regions where regulations are very lax.

 

[Racehorse]

Yep, he sure did. One of just a few GOPers who caved into the lies.

Sorry, don't know about "few". I live in AR and we know what happened here. There are also many other red states where draconion laws against vaping are being, will be, and have been passed.

But yeah, R candidate is probably choosing Indiana gov for VP, who has passed THE MOST draconian vaping regs in all of America .

So, IF you are a one-issue voter (which so many here claim they are?) maybe it's time to think about this......

 

[Racehorse]

having said this: ^^^
for myself, I never thought of, and still don't, vaping as a partisan issue. It isn't.
For those who think it is, you will be having some disappointments, that is my prediction.

 

[Mazinny]

Sorry, don't know about "few". I live in AR and we know what happened here. There are also many other red states where draconion laws against vaping are being, will be, and have been passed.

But yeah, R candidate is probably choosing Indiana gov for VP, who has passed THE MOST draconian vaping regs in all of America .

So, IF you are a one-issue voter (which so many here claim they are?) maybe it's time to think about this......

And it's not only Indiana either. Indiana, Arkansas and Utah are currently the only states with a total or partial ban on internet sales for ecigs. All three have Republican governors and a Republican dominated legislature. Corruption and crony capitalism is not limited to one party or the other.

 

[rocketman29]

New Study: Electronic Cigarettes Vapor Has NO Toxic Effect | Vapeform

 

[Kent C]

New Study: Electronic Cigarettes Vapor Has NO Toxic Effect | Vapeform

The actual study:

Development of an in vitro cytotoxicity model for aerosol exposure using 3D reconstructed human airway tissue; application for assessment of e-cigarette aerosol

No reduction was seen in tissue cell viability and the results for e-cigarette aerosol did not differ significantly from the untreated air controls...

Conclusion
The use of 3D organotypic cultures offers the unique opportunity to investigate the direct toxicological responses in a system exposed at the air–liquid interface in vitro. A combined system that more closely mimics the in vivo human situation and therefore allows more realistic data to be obtained and therefore more accurate conclusions to be drawn on the resulting data.
[vs. the unrealistic conditions in many of the ANTZ studies.]

Under the study conditions cigarette smoke demonstrated a dose-dependent response that resulted in near-complete cell death after a 6 h exposure period. In contrast, e-cigarette aerosol showed no decrease in tissue viability following a 6 h exposure, despite appropriate positive control responses. Furthermore, cytotoxicity appears to be unaffected by different e-cigarette formulations as tested in this study.

 

[Eskie]

I would never vote for any one candidate on a single issue regardless of the stance (well, OK, maybe a few, but vaping isn't it). I do think this might extend beyond just the folks here, who, in truth, are going to affected less by regulation thanks to DIY skills and experience. The issue is a bit broader, as I do believe vaping offers smokers a better path to quit than all the other currently approved treatments the FDA allows. And legislation throttling this industry will result in the unintended (assuming we even trust the underlying motivation) consequence of keeping more folks on cigarettes longer.

 

[Vandal]

A candidate's stance on vaping may well reflect their stance on other things.

I don't think anyone is coming out and saying what their stance on vaping is (if they even have one) though, so I think it would be safest to go with those who are pro-small business and have a decided dislike for regulation overreach in general. That is something I could get behind even if vaping were not an issue.

 

[Yiana]

A candidate's stance on vaping may well reflect their stance on other things.

I don't think anyone is coming out and saying what their stance on vaping is (if they even have one) though, so I think it would be safest to go with those who are pro-small business and have a decided dislike for regulation overreach in general. That is something I could get behind even if vaping were not an issue.

I wholeheartedly agree!

 

[Racehorse]

And it's not only Indiana either. Indiana, Arkansas and Utah are currently the only states with a total or partial ban on internet sales for ecigs. All three have Republican governors and a Republican dominated legislature. Corruption and crony capitalism is not limited to one party or the other.

uh, add another Republican signed sealed and delivered state..........

Pennsylvania has now totally devastated the vaping industry in their state, in a pretty draconian way:

CALL TO ACTION! - Pennsylvania: 40% tax = game over for vape

I can't complain yet about AR. The only thing i can't get is eliquid online, but even in the vape stores it won't be taxed until 2 years when there will be a vote........that should come up around July of 2017.

 

[Racehorse]

I think it would be safest to go with those who <snip> have a decided dislike for regulation overreach in general.

I can't do that.

The worst animal abuse as well as puppy mills (I have seen things that i will need brain bleach to get over, actually, I have seen things I will NEVER get over) all of it in states with the LEAST regulations.

sorry, but I would rather pay taxes on my vape than watch sentient, living, lovely companion animals like horses, dogs and cats suffer beyond what I even thought humanly possible, and you can't nail the neglectors/abusers in court because there are no real penalties

I'd love to give some people a 'tour' of some of the states w/the least regulation overall, so you can see what actually happens. As it turns out, few if any regulations always benefits scofflaws. Peoople who abuse animals, people who pour their motor oil into the ground, people who put in illegal septic sytems etc. I have a list.

 

[Bronze]

Well, since you brought it up, may I also offer that many people on "hobby vaping" forums are also living in their own little worlds.

While reading about people stockpiling, for instance, spending thousands and thousands of $$ (which most people don't have at their ready) to those who own 10-70 "mods", please understand that most of the population of the US is really not even *REMOTELY* interested in doing any of this.

Here, there is big concerns. I'm on many other topic-specific forums and most people are busy trying to figure out how to balance the chemistry in their pool, or how to figure out the 5 generation pedigrees of horses who will come from all over the world to run in the Breeders Cup.

But at least they seem to realize that their "interests" are niche-level interests.

While we have certain activists here telling us who to vote for for POTUS, strictly based on the one-issue "vaping" thing. :rolls eyes:

As for membership, there are many vapers who just bought an evod kit (nice little kit!) and have never found the need to upgrade. Others were members here, used vaping to get off cigs, then lowered their nic levels and stopped vaping as well. Smoking and vaping is in their distant past.

All I'm saying is that not everybody desires to get into vaping at the level hobby vapers do, and not everybody feels that all this regulation is the "end of the world" for them. They don't carry their ecig around 24/7, they don't need it all day, they can go on an airplane w/out worrying about vaping, etc. etc.

Vaping is something that happens at MANY DIFFERENT LEVELS. And, just as there are political and social issues that I strongly believe in, there is not enough time in the day to DEDICATE myself to all of them.

I do and help with a lot of dog rescue. That is my thing. Changing the laws and pushing for serious consquences for negligent and abusive dog (and horse) owners is a full time political effort, esp in the southern regions where regulations are very lax.

The people I speak of are the ones (if you had read my subsequent posts) who limit their awareness to whatever activity is going on within the four walls that surround them at the moment. If they move to another room, then the set of activities change and they adjust to whatever is happening within the new set of activities. It was meant as a general observation and not as a judgement on their involvement (or lack of) as it relates to vaping. I guess I am a bit put off that you imply I think people should be as interested in my causes as I am. That implication is wrong. My point is there are many people who will not take a stand on anything. Instead, they will accept whatever they are told to do (or not to do).

 

[Bronze]

Sorry, don't know about "few". I live in AR and we know what happened here. There are also many other red states where draconion laws against vaping are being, will be, and have been passed.

But yeah, R candidate is probably choosing Indiana gov for VP, who has passed THE MOST draconian vaping regs in all of America .

So, IF you are a one-issue voter (which so many here claim they are?) maybe it's time to think about this......

There are Republicans who are against vaping. But the fact remains, there are far more Democrats that oppose vaping than Republicans.

 

[kas122461]

I am not sure how I feel about Pence being chosen as running mate for vise president with Trump. On one hand I am glad he is getting out of Indiana, but now as VP, he could do a lot more damage.

KAS

 

[r055co]

I am not sure how I feel about Pence being chosen as running mate for vise president with Trump. On on hand I am glad he is getting out of Indiana, but now as VP, he could do a lot more damage.

KAS

Don't worry, you'll still be stuck with him. The fix has been in for some time. Hillary was anointed to assume the throne by the powers who control government.

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[mcol]

Read this article about Gary Johnson today, he was asked about vaping:

Gary Johnson Doesn't Get This Whole Vaping Thing

 

[Bronze]

Read this article about Gary Johnson today, he was asked about vaping:

Gary Johnson Doesn't Get This Whole Vaping Thing

This guy plays with less than 52.

 

[mcol]

This guy plays with less than 52.

Lived in NM when he was Governor, both times. He was a good governor
and left the state in the black. At some point in time after he left as
Governor I recall bits and pieces about how he was cheating on his wife,
then she died of cancer (I think). He's kinda been nutty ever since.

 

[Bronze]

Lived in NM when he was Governor, both times. He was a good governor
and left the state in the black. At some point in time after he left as
Governor I recall bits and pieces about how he was cheating on his wife,
then she died of cancer (I think). He's kinda been nutty ever since.

I didn't follow him near as much as you obviously. But I thought of him as a solid governor who was quite main stream. But as you say, it seems he's gone goofy since.

 

[Kent C]

I am not sure how I feel about Pence being chosen as running mate for vise president with Trump. On one hand I am glad he is getting out of Indiana, but now as VP, he could do a lot more damage.

KAS

Trump will formally announce his choice tomorrow - so far Pence is news media speculation.

As far a as 'one issue' voters - if that was the case with many, we'd have about 15 less Democrats in the Senate. And who thinks that if Hillary was still a Senator, that her name wouldn't be on the letters sent to the FDA and OMB, along with Feinstein, Durbin, Blumenthal, Markey, Merkely, Brown, Boxer, Rockefeller, Schumer, Reed, Murray, Warren, et al.???