Deeming Regulations have been released!!!!

[bnrkwest]

No internet, no china orders.

Boooo.............

 

[bnrkwest]

Well, look at it this way. Most would probably end up dying off as most wouldn't know the first thing about growing their own food, saddling a horse, or (heaven forbid) actually hand writing a letter.

Once it all shakes out, I think I could live with the reduced idiocy in the country.

Well I can do all those things, we grow our fresh veggies, care for horses daily, for fun tho Not necessity

 

[oplholik]

I've tended my share of home gardens. Haven't raised anything for meat tho, just veggies.

 

[bnrkwest]

I've tended my share of home gardens. Haven't raised anything for meat tho, just veggies.

We used to raise cattle years ago, but I hate sending cows in for food, I was not good at it, they all had names and were my pets!

 

[oplholik]

We used to raise cattle years ago, but I hate sending cows in for food, I was not good at it, they all had names and were my pets!

That would be me, I'd get too attached to my cute little cows, and pigs, and whatever else.

 

[retired1]

I grew up in a family of butchers. Doesn't bother me in the least.

 

[Semiretired]

I need the internet LOL !

About every year or so we spend 3 -4 months in the Philippines back in the boonies (well actually when you get to the boonies you take a left and keep on going ).

No TV, no internet, no hot water unless you boil it, running water only 3 hours a day and it is not potable, very few cars - local transportation is tricycles. There is only one radio station and I can't understand a word that they are saying and it is mostly talk radio.

I survive every trip, because sometimes it is just nice to get away from all the tech we have our lives clogged up with. You gotta try it to appreciate it...

 

[oplholik]

About every year or so we spend 3 -4 months in the Philippines back in the boonies (well actually when you get to the boonies you take a left and keep on going ).

No TV, no internet, no hot water unless you boil it, running water only 3 hours a day and it is not potable, very few cars - local transportation is tricycles. There is only one radio station and I can't understand a word that they are saying and it is mostly talk radio.

I survive every trip, because sometimes it is just nice to get away from all the tech we have our lives clogged up with. You gotta try it to appreciate it...

I couldn't like your post, because I couldn't handle that experience, but good for you.

 

[seminolewind]

Anyone feel as worn out as I do about all this?

Our so-called representatives in government have no idea how enraged we are--or why. We were forced outside and away from others to shiver in the cold and freezing rain. We were forbidden to smoke in our own places of work. We were systematically isolated, condemned, humiliated, and demonized as a menace to bystanders and even to our own children. As the ANTZ put it, we were "denormalized" and "marginalized." We were taxed out the wazoo. Many of us spent a good deal of money on their approved cessation products which we found to be unpleasant, mostly ineffective and in some cases harmful to our mental well-being.

So the seed of our rage began to form.

And then at last we found a means to quit smoking--which is all they said they wanted. We did it because the free market and human ingenuity, unaided by government, devised and perfected a pleasant and relatively harmless alternative. We thought, "Now they'll stop marginalizing us and leave us alone." But no. Now they are attacking that alternative and threatening to all but destroy it, using the same tactics they employed so successfully against smoking and smokers, based on flawed, biased and misleading "studies," fear mongering, and a sick compulsion to regulate virtually every aspect of human behavior.

Over and over they have lied, abused the power entrusted to them, and betrayed us. They have forgotten that the primary function of the U.S. government is to protect and preserve our freedom, not to act as our parents.

So our rage reached a boiling point.

In all of this they have been aided by entrenched economic interests and uncritical media who have have failed in their essential role as the fourth branch of government--to keep a watchful eye, to inform the electorate when government abuses its power, and to expose its lies, thus further fueling our rage.

And we have failed too. Failed because we naively believed that good science, reason and logic would somehow prevail; failed because we believed that writing letters, sending emails and signing petitions would generate a change in policy, and failed because we and the vaping industry failed to organize, to join forces and to engage in the kind of all-out campaign necessary to defend our own interests.

Now I'm all choked up , you've summed it all up perfectly.

The FDA can join Mr. Comey/FBI in the greatest disappointments of 2016. Is it too much to be fair, intelligent and trustworthy? We don't even get the courtesy of the gov. Doing their homework and be reasonably educated in vaping and vaping products.

 

[seminolewind]

We used to raise cattle years ago, but I hate sending cows in for food, I was not good at it, they all had names and were my pets!

Me too. I can do all that and care for 30 pet chickens! And I can shoot pretty well.

 

[Shawn Hoefer]

We used to raise cattle years ago, but I hate sending cows in for food, I was not good at it, they all had names and were my pets!

We raise sheep and goats and alpacas and chickens and dogs and cats... there are people here, somewhere, too.

The Wife and Stepdot do most of it and I am assigned the less pleasant tasks... taking the wethers to the butcher shop, putting down the too-injured-to-save.

They are pets... mostly... but we recognize that there can only be so many males on a farm.

Also, before I stepped aside from the day to day and into this role, I cared as much or more for the critters. A couple of years ago, however, Muppet - a beautiful, goody, friendly Llama I had raised from birth came down terribly sick with a meningitis-like illness. Finally, I had to say goodbye and put him down. I did it by myself, bawling, cussing, screaming... I said never again.

I kinda lied... since then we've lost a couple very old ewes to age. I cried, but it was much, much, much harder with Muppet...

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[Sugar_and_Spice]

Anyone feel as worn out as I do about all this?

Oh yes, I have since pouring over the 'regs' and the US codes back in May/June timeframe. Had to back off this thread for my own well being.

 

[Sugar_and_Spice]

It certainly hasn't helped that vapers themselves do a lot of the disapproving finger pointing and hypochondriacal hand-wringing that invites such measures.

Please explain and elaborate on this statement.

 

[newyork13]

The Brits and possibly the French on the other hand have had the opportunities to work with their gov. and came up with vaping liquid can not be over 20mg (2%) nicotine and tanks can not hold more than 2 ml's . Now that's something I can understand safety wise.

Meanwhile, FDA has no right deeming anything or stating anything or writing regulations until they know more than what they've read on the internet. They say it's not been proven that vaping is used to quit smoking. They refer to the liquid as having toxins and carcinogens in it. This shows most of us that the FDA does not know enough about vaping to deem regulations. Congress should have required the FDA to get some facts first.

Agree completely with your comments on the FDA.
But, I spent most of the summer in Europe, and will happily defer to someone who lives there who disagrees with my following comments.
I don't see any evidence that the governments and vaping communities worked together there. Governments generally do what they want to do for their own reasons, which rarely have to do with what is for the benefit of the people.
In the UK, the medical profession is less prejudiced and less puritanical than that in the US. So, they're more open to vaping as a smoking cessation device.
The "rules" and laws are dictated from the EU in Brussels, which is from what I can see totally uninterested in working with common folks.
They may not have "deemed" but their regulations were not because they cared about vapers, nor because they reached out to determine what made sense.

I will say, after 5 wks in Italy: this country makes sense. No prohibitions on vaping anywhere. What a delightful change. I vaped in bars, in restaurants, in the airport...I vaped wherever I wanted. But, smoking is prohibited in many of those places. And, Italians are big smokers. Nice.

 

[snork]

Please explain and elaborate on this statement.

Sure, if you really want, but it's time for bed. Catch you all later.

 

[bnrkwest]

About every year or so we spend 3 -4 months in the Philippines back in the boonies (well actually when you get to the boonies you take a left and keep on going ).

No TV, no internet, no hot water unless you boil it, running water only 3 hours a day and it is not potable, very few cars - local transportation is tricycles. There is only one radio station and I can't understand a word that they are saying and it is mostly talk radio.

I survive every trip, because sometimes it is just nice to get away from all the tech we have our lives clogged up with. You gotta try it to appreciate it...

It sounds very cool! I live in the boonies now, life is simple and slow pased, thousands of acres near by of nothing but nature but I like having contact with the outside world too I can't imagine living in a big city, been rural most of my life.

 

[Slots]

One question ... what happened to our "Pursuit of Happiness" rights ?????????????

 

[bnrkwest]

We raise sheep and goats and alpacas and chickens and dogs and cats... there are people here, somewhere, too.

The Wife and Stepdot do most of it and I am assigned the less pleasant tasks... taking the wethers to the butcher shop, putting down the too-injured-to-save.

They are pets... mostly... but we recognize that there can only be so many males on a farm.

Also, before I stepped aside from the day to day and into this role, I cared as much or more for the critters. A couple of years ago, however, Muppet - a beautiful, goody, friendly Llama I had raised from birth came down terribly sick with a meningitis-like illness. Finally, I had to say goodbye and put him down. I did it by myself, bawling, cussing, screaming... I said never again.

I kinda lied... since then we've lost a couple very old ewes to age. I cried, but it was much, much, much harder with Muppet...

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Been there too, I feel your pain.

 

[KODIAK (TM)]

One question ... what happened to our "Pursuit of Happiness" rights ?????????????

Strange thing about happiness. When you seem to have more of it than others, they simply don't like it and try to convince you that your happiness is wrong.

 

[bnrkwest]

Strange thing about happiness. When you seem to have more of it than others, they simply don't like it and try to convince you that your happiness is misplaced.

That's the truth! LOL Some pretty miserable people out there that want us happy vapers to be miserable too! LOL