Deeming Regulations have been released!!!!

[Sugar_and_Spice]

It hasn't been released here yet for financial reasons. It is expensive to do all the advertising and setting up a global release. They had more support in Australia and other countries.

It's not only expensive but turns out to be strategic also. The US gov has done a lot of damage to vaping, so world acceptance for us is a big win. Australia has said they would review their policies and Doctors in other countries have showed support. I hope the world's support will at least get some attention from the powers that be here at home. At least I hope it will.

 

[Semiretired]

I hope the world's support will at least get some attention from the powers that be here at home. At least I hope it will.

It will, "But" they will feel it will be better in the control of BT and BP...

 

[seminolewind]

I think it's a bit better to have the film to the rest of the worlds before us. Gives us more strength to show it here.

 

[mcol]

Forgive if this has been mentioned already, but njoy is filing for bankruptcy.

E-cigarette maker files for bankruptcy

 

[Lessifer]

Forgive if this has been mentioned already, but njoy is filing for bankruptcy.

E-cigarette maker files for bankruptcy

That is sad, and a bit distressing.

 

[mcol]

That is sad, and a bit distressing.

Very distressing. They are one of a few that I thought would weather the storm.

 

[Rossum]

Very distressing. They are one of a few that I thought would weather the storm.

Mass-mechanizing via traditional retail channels (c-stores and such) is VERY expensive. I doubt any of the vapor products available in those outlets have ever turned a profit for their manufacturers.

 

[Semiretired]

I was fairly sure that they would be one of the products still on the shelf once the dust settled.

 

[Bob Chill]

Mass-mechanizing via traditional retail channels (c-stores and such) is VERY expensive. I doubt any of the vapor products available in those outlets have ever turned a profit for their manufacturers.

Very true but it probably included market trends away from disposable cigalikes. They were really expensive and didn't last long. It was cheaper to smoke than use Kings daily.

The "flatline" ecig sales talk over the last year was heavily weighted with retail cigalike sales. That entire market in general failed at accruing regular long time users. The products ended up being a stepping stone to gear that actually worked or a failed consumer test where smoking won.

I've been to a large concert and an NFL game recently. It seemed at both venues that vaping/smoking was easily a 50/50 split. I never saw a single cigalike being vaped. Everyone was using stuff similar to what we talk about all day on here. Big tobacco, Blu, Njoy, etc have failed at creating a cost effective product that captures long term users.

Pod mods will likely be another failed attempt at finding long term users with a semi disposable product over the next 2 years.

 

[retired1]

Pod mods will likely be another failed attempt at finding long term users with a semi disposable product over the next 2 years.

Unlikely. The pod mods being developed today are a vast improvement over the cigalikes. There will be a definite market for these for folks that don't view vaping as a hobby, and just want something simple to use.

 

[Semiretired]

Unlikely. The pod mods being developed today are a vast improvement over the cigalikes. There will be a definite market for these for folks that don't view vaping as a hobby, and just want something simple to use.

I think one of the main draws for the pod's will be that they do not look like a cig. For me that is the only draw, but other's will see more...

 

[retired1]

I think one of the main draws for the pod's will be that they do not look like a cig. For me that is the only draw, but other's will see more...

That and they're pretty much hassle free. I wish these things had been available when I first started vaping. I vape as an alternative to smoking. I could care less about the hobby aspect of it, and I'm getting tired of having to rewick, recoil, etc.

This is going to appeal to a lot of folks like me. Just drop in the pod and go. No fuss. No mess. No rebuilding. No replacing the wick on a regular basis.

 

[Semiretired]

If they could make them less costly then I would agree. They are very basic in design - I am sure they could drop the price considerably if they really wanted to...

 

[retired1]

If they could make them less costly then I would agree. They are very basic in design - I am sure they could drop the price considerably if they really wanted to...

Again. A lot of us aren't going to look at the cost comparison between something like a RBA and a pod mod. It's still cheaper than smoking and it's a viable alternative to smoking.

We look at vaping as an alternative to smoking. Yes, cost does enter into the equation, but it's not the over riding factor in deciding what to use.

Simplicity and ease of use is at the top of my list, and I'll pay extra for the convenience.

 

[BreSha6869]

Unlikely. The pod mods being developed today are a vast improvement over the cigalikes. There will be a definite market for these for folks that don't view vaping as a hobby, and just want something simple to use.

I think products like the new eLeaf iCare will find a place in the market and I wish they were around 5 years ago. Cheap, easy to use but an open system. For $13 for the device and under $1 per coil (Fasttech), they are a great alternative to smoking and cigalikes IMO.

 

[Semiretired]

Simplicity and ease of use is at the top of my list, and I'll pay extra for the convenience.

But many would not. Costs once I spent my entry fee with my first ecig was a driving factor. It was far cheaper than cigs. I did not at that time know of any real other benefits and neither will most others looking at them. If the costs are below what it takes to smoke - more will try them...

 

[Lessifer]

Again. A lot of us aren't going to look at the cost comparison between something like a RBA and a pod mod. It's still cheaper than smoking and it's a viable alternative to smoking.

We look at vaping as an alternative to smoking. Yes, cost does enter into the equation, but it's not the over riding factor in deciding what to use.

Simplicity and ease of use is at the top of my list, and I'll pay extra for the convenience.

You're right, some people won't mind paying the higher recurring cost of pods, just like some people buy the coffee pods. Apparently enough people that they have to devote a section of the coffee aisle to it. There are probably more people, like myself, who won't pay $1 a cup for coffee at home though. Market wise, the profits offset the numbers I'm guessing. I think pods have a future, because the devices seem to be really good. The fate of open systems will determine a lot though.

 

[englishmick]

If decent Pods had been around when I started vaping I might never have looked any further.

Not sure if they would have worked though. Part of the quitting process for me was being absorbed in the vaping activity. Like spending many hours a day on ECF, being part of a club, discussing it with other people. Fussing with my tanks and batteries trying to get them to work properly. Researching and buying better gear. It was a full time job for a while, and it kept my mind off cigarettes. Something I could just pull out of my pocket and suck on might not have filled the hole.

Hard to tell though. Who knows what might have been.

 

[zoiDman]

Mass-mechanizing via traditional retail channels (c-stores and such) is VERY expensive. ...

This is Very True.

And it would be Very Easy for a Disposable to pull down Company Profits in a Free Market where Better Products are available.

 

[zoiDman]

If they could make them less costly then I would agree. They are very basic in design - I am sure they could drop the price considerably if they really wanted to...

Daily Cost to Use (DCTU) is Very Critical to capture that Middle ground of Smokers.

Smokers who haven't yet seen the Destruction that Smoking can cause, but would consider Switching if they could Save Money.

If the DCTU is High, or on a Par with Smoking, then your Target Market becomes more Smokers who are Wanting to Quit for Health Reasons no matter the Cost.