Deeming Regulations have been released!!!!
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All we have to do to save the industry is talk Apple into releasing the IVape Phone in Version 9... They can afford the fight... 
All we have to do to save the industry is talk Apple into releasing the IVape Phone in Version 9... They can afford the fight...
What are you trying to do, kill off the industry for good?
Skiing will be a favorite pastime in Hades before I own an Apple product.
What are you trying to do, kill off the industry for good?
Skiing will be a favorite pastime in Hades before I own an Apple product.
That soon?
I get so tired of gov regulating benign carp. There are so many other problems in the usa. If it weren't for their big buddy BT, this would all probably not be happening. The bottom line is the liquid. And glycerin and PG have been used in hospital respiratory treatments for a long time. Why is that not enough testing?
The vape box doesn't seem to be popular to use with the iphone. I saw the 1st version on sale for 4.99 and a blurb about future versions for smartphones. Don't think it happened but I haven't really looked around.All we have to do to save the industry is talk Apple into releasing the IVape Phone in Version 9... They can afford the fight...
I thought that was a joke. Someone might blow their face off with a coil and a cell phone battery. Or, does that mean that the iPhone will be under "related to tobacco"?
Can Philip Morris International Inc. Reignite E-Cig Growth With the New iQOS? -- The Motley Fool
So I guess BT is coming out with their own e-cigarette -iQOS. It's actually tobacco that has vapor passing through. This just plain pi$$es me off. And how do people not mistake their vapor cigarette for our vaping products?
The only thing I guessed was just that. They need to use their tobacco in some way. Any way.
So I guess BT is coming out with their own e-cigarette -iQOS. It's actually tobacco that has vapor passing through. This just plain pi$$es me off. And how do people not mistake their vapor cigarette for our vaping products?
The only thing I guessed was just that. They need to use their tobacco in some way. Any way.
If you really think about it, we are using a tobacco by-product. Our nicotine solutions are a derivative from tobacco. This association cannot be denied. BT developing and marketing these vaporized tobacco systems is actually kind of interesting, considering where this type of product was originated, in an underground market. To me this is mind blowing. I don't believe that vaping is going away for a minute, I do believe that the industry is being hi-jacked, using the FDA as the muscle man.
The only way to market product post deeming deadline will be through the expenditure of huge sums of moneys and man hours to demonstrate product safety and consistency. There will be few companies with such resources to jump these hurdles, and I don't believe that the scales are totally tipped in BT's favor. I have a sneaking suspicion that big pharma could well enter the market in some fashion, as they have the resources, labs, testing protocols and absolute familiarity in how the FDA regulations work. If they play this game right they could come out as the big saviors to smokers everywhere, and the general public would never even have an inkling of how that came to be.
I would agree with this if there were not more money for BP in treatment for and very little in "curing" illnesses.
They do not want cures imo, but expensive ongoing "treatments".
Just my thought on it. Cheers.
But vaping is an ongoing treatment, at least for a good number of us. Sad thing is that the industry did so well all on it's own, in producing devices and liquids that we actually enjoyed using, I don't think those aspects would be very high on either BT or BP's agenda. I really do wonder what will emerge from all this mess in the end.
I take a step back and look at this whole thing and it's just beyond me that this is really happening! And the public is convinced that the FDA is right! And they want this liquid tested even tho it's been in use for years-pg, glycerin, and flavoring. And nicotine . So really what are we really researching? What happens after 10 years does not exist.
Why has the public never questioned the government stating that they keep us safe and allow cigarettes to be sold?
I feel like they are all playing games with lives. And all these small vaping shops closing. And BT and their cig a like made with tobacco, is that allowed? We don't know the consequences of inhaling steamed tobacco. (LOL). I'm sure BT will continue to try products with tobacco because they'll be swimming in it.
Why has the public never questioned the government stating that they keep us safe and allow cigarettes to be sold?
I feel like they are all playing games with lives. And all these small vaping shops closing. And BT and their cig a like made with tobacco, is that allowed? We don't know the consequences of inhaling steamed tobacco. (LOL). I'm sure BT will continue to try products with tobacco because they'll be swimming in it.
What I would like to know is how the FDA and BT are so sure that they can pull this scam and get away with it?
"All this was inspired by the principle—which is quite true within itself—that in the big lie there is always a certain force of credibility; because the broad masses of a nation are always more easily corrupted in the deeper strata of their emotional nature than consciously or voluntarily; and thus in the primitive simplicity of their minds they more readily fall victims to the big lie than the small lie, since they themselves often tell small lies in little matters but would be ashamed to resort to large-scale falsehoods. It would never come into their heads to fabricate colossal untruths, and they would not believe that others could have the impudence to distort the truth so infamously. Even though the facts which prove this to be so may be brought clearly to their minds, they will still doubt and waver and will continue to think that there may be some other explanation. For the grossly impudent lie always leaves traces behind it, even after it has been nailed down, a fact which is known to all expert liars in this world and to all who conspire together in the art of lying."
— Adolf Hitler, Mein Kampf, vol. I, ch. X
Alexander, Now I got it. Totally true. Like if you've never been a thief, it's hard to see it in another because it's never been part of your thought processes.
My mother has a copy of Mein Kampf without a cover.
My mother has a copy of Mein Kampf without a cover.
Many of us were die-hard smokers that would never have given up smoking because we loved smoking. It took a miracle to create a device that I was willing to give up smoking for. There really wasn't anything else I would have given smoking up for. BT has relied on that fact and thought they would never have to worry. Which is true. Until we got vaping products. But BT does not understand that it's much much more than nicotine.
I think many of understand how complicated the habit is. It is not just nicotine. From the rest of what smoking did with our thought processes and habits, it transformed into the beautiful works of art we have today (mods, atomizers, and those who make their own fancy coils), always striving to improve, create, compete..... and of course I feel that many of us have a bit of renegade in our veins.
No one understands this but us. And certainly BT never knew it was there. And they can't match it . They can play with legalities, and force .................., but they can't just close shops and make us disappear. They can't compete with what we have all discovered about ourselves.
It's going to be interesting seeing how some of this stuff plays out in the real world in a few years. Folks who are talented and like to make things will continue to do so, but how will they sell them?
Oh, come on. If you're going to do it, do it right.
...daß in der Größe der Lüge immer ein gewisser Faktor des Geglaubtwerdens liegt, da die breite Masse eines Volkes im tiefsten Grunde ihres Herzens leichter verdorben als bewußt und absichtlich schlecht sein wird, mithin bei der primitiven Einfalt ihres Gemütes einer großen Lüge leichter zum Opfer fällt als einer kleinen, da sie selber ja wohl manchmal im kleinen lügt, jedoch vor zu großen Lügen sich doch zu sehr schämen würde. Eine solche Unwahrheit wird ihr gar nicht in den Kopf kommen, und sie wird an die Möglichkeit einer so ungeheuren Frechheit der infamsten Verdrehung auch bei anderen nicht glauben können, ja selbst bei Aufklärung darüber noch lange zweifeln und schwanken und wenigstens irgendeine Ursache doch noch als wahr annehmen; daher denn auch von der frechsten Lüge immer noch etwas übrig und hängen bleiben wird – eine Tatsache, die alle großen Lügenkünstler und Lügenvereine dieser Welt nur zu genau kennen und deshalb auch niederträchtig zur Anwendung bringen.“
I don't mind requiring e-liguids being tested BUT they should let the manufactures use a third party testing center do it. Testing isn't that expensive, plenty of companies do it already! The industry should be regulated fairly; require warning labels, require child proof caps and require big bold warnings on devices and batteries about safety. All this in-expensive and doesn't require a 1,000 man hours to do. FDA is treating vaping like the FAA treats airline companies, but the FAA regs are justified.
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