Deeming Regulations have been released!!!!

[Eskie]

I read Eskie's post as sarcasm, with the roll-eyes smiley. And perhaps his point is that if you or I did it, it would be a crime, but if an elected politician does it the system treats it as only an ethics violation.

So much for the promised equal application of the law. We know we get the best justice money can buy.

You mean like how if one of us knocked over a 7 11 for $100 in cash and would get a 10 year sentence, and a politician being bribed getting campaign donations to help secure a zoning change to build a half dozen 7 11's is just a simple misunderstanding of the complicated campaign finance laws?

 

[Lessifer]

I don't believe in supporting a crooked politician - EVER.

I also think this is how the darn crooks keep getting voted back in office time and time (and time) again.. because people inevitably say, "well it's not so bad since said crooked politician supports MY pet legislation"...

Well, our preferred legislation or not, it IS that bad and I'm sick to death of the crooks taking us all, and our nation, for a ride.

If the extreme left wingers have taught us a thing, it's that the squeaky wheel gets the grease...

It's time, like yesterday, to start becoming darn squeaky, or we can kiss vaping goodbye while bending over and allowing the government to rape us of our dollars in what little of the vaping industry they have left us..

it's never someone else's job to get you heard, it's your job to be loud enough to be heard..

Screw the crooks, it's time to be heard - by all of them. It's time to squeak.. loud.

Just to be clear, at this point these are still allegations, right? He is under investigation but has not been found guilty of any criminal wrong doing, yet, correct?

 

[Eskie]

Just to be clear, at this point these are still allegations, right? He is under investigation but has not been found guilty of any criminal wrong doing, yet, correct?

That is my understanding. Unfortunately in the US things like "under investigation" make the news as though they were convicted crimes. Other nations do not allow this sort of behavior until the individual is at least indicted or actually convicted.

 

[Opinionated]

Just to be clear, at this point these are still allegations, right? He is under investigation but has not been found guilty of any criminal wrong doing, yet, correct?

That I know of this is correct..

But the implication of impropriety, also makes him, and any legislation he might support in turn, rather like a pariah in congress at least until the implication of impropriety is forgotten. Other congressman will keep their distance to avoid name association with the accused.

The best way to kill any bill, is to tarnish the name(s) of the one who is upholding said bill..

 

[CMD-Ky]

I read Eskie's post as sarcasm, with the roll-eyes smiley. And perhaps his point is that if you or I did it, it would be a crime, but if an elected politician does it the system treats it as only an ethics violation.

So much for the promised equal application of the law. We know we get the best justice money can buy.

I was certainly hoping that was the case.

 

[Eskie]

That I know of this is correct..

But the implication of impropriety, also makes him, and any legislation he might support in turn, rather like a pariah in congress at least until the implication of impropriety is forgotten. Other congressman will keep their distance to avoid name association with the accused.

The best way to kill any bill, is to tarnish the name(s) of the one who is upholding said bill..

Unless I'm wrong, this guy did not write and introduce the legislation, but signed on as a co-sponsor once it was introduced. That's not nearly as harmful or probably even all that noticeable to the congressmen around there.

 

[Eskie]

I was certainly hoping that was the case.

It was. As hopefully my 7 11 post would fall in that category as well.

 

[Opinionated]

Unless I'm wrong, this guy did not write and introduce the legislation, but signed on as a co-sponsor once it was introduced. That's not nearly as harmful or probably even all that noticeable to the congressmen around there.

And it may not be as harmful your correct, only time will tell... but it's always best not to count on it either..

As I said before.. squeaky, squeaky, squeaky... if we want our interests to be represented..

 

[zoiDman]

Just to be clear, at this point these are still allegations, right? He is under investigation but has not been found guilty of any criminal wrong doing, yet, correct?

Found Guilty of a Criminal Activity? I don't think they do that to people in the House or Senate?

And if Rep Hunter did Nothing Wrong, why is Paying for those Charges on the Campaign CC?

 

[Lessifer]

That I know of this is correct..

But the implication of impropriety, also makes him, and any legislation he might support in turn, rather like a pariah in congress at least until the implication of impropriety is forgotten. Other congressman will keep their distance to avoid name association with the accused.

The best way to kill any bill, is to tarnish the name(s) of the one who is upholding said bill..

5 months ago I would have agreed with you wholeheartedly. I no longer have any idea what lawmakers consider acceptable.

 

[CMD-Ky]

5 months ago I would have agreed with you wholeheartedly. I no longer have any idea what lawmakers consider acceptable.

Acceptable is whatever will get a politician re-elected - unless that politician is from the other party.

 

[Eskie]

Found Guilty of a Criminal Activity? I don't think they do that to people in the House or Senate?

And if Rep Hunter did Nothing Wrong, why is Paying for those Charges on the Campaign CC?

Oh, that can happen. But ethics violations more commonly are handled with a censure from Congress, and instructions to go stand in the corner for 15 minutes. And no talking, or the 15 minute clock gets reset.

 

[CMD-Ky]

Oh, that can happen. But ethics violations more commonly are handled with a censure from Congress, and instructions to go stand in the corner for 15 minutes. And no talking, or the 15 minute clock gets reset.

Ethics violations for a politician are often crimes for those they govern. Some pigs are simply more equal than are others.

 

[Opinionated]

Oh, that can happen. But ethics violations more commonly are handled with a censure from Congress, and instructions to go stand in the corner for 15 minutes. And no talking, or the 15 minute clock gets reset.

With the country at a current 50/50 split and so very divided, (and politicians vying ever harder for a vote and some cash flow) I'm not so sure that will hold true anymore. It's more likely to be paraded as an additional reason not to give any support to a perfectly good bill.

 

[Mazinny]

Good Question.

Just like one could Ask should Rep. Hunter be Judged any Differently just because he Vapes?

I hope i didn't give the impression that i'm suggesting this.

I do want him to keep pushing for the pull-back of the deeming regs until this thing is resolved though, whether it ends in resignation, jail time, or whatever .... and as i'm typing this i'm beginning to think if his involvement is even a net benefit for vaping any more !? I don't know.... This is just so annoying.

 

[Lessifer]

Found Guilty of a Criminal Activity? I don't think they do that to people in the House or Senate?

And if Rep Hunter did Nothing Wrong, why is Paying for those Charges on the Campaign CC?

Again, not defending him. I do like the idea that in America innocent until proven guilty applies to everyone.

 

[zoiDman]

I hope i didn't give the impression that i'm suggesting this.

...

Absolutely Not.

And Sorry if it sounded like that was what I was Implying. It Wasn't.

 

[zoiDman]

Again, not defending him. I do like the idea that in America innocent until proven guilty applies to everyone.

Yeah... Just like if one is Found Guilty, shouldn't they receive the Same Punishment as Everyone Else?

But all this is Moot. Because does Anyone think that Rep Hunter is going to be Charged with a Crime?

Please.

If this had been You or Me Les, our Lawyers would tell you/me to bring your Toothbrush with you at the Sentencing.

But a sitting US House Rep? They're not going to do anything to him. With the possible Exception of maybe a Strongly Worded letter.

 

[motordude]

I just got an idea!
Let's get a non-career politician like, um... idk, and elect them to be president!
Then they can "drain the swamp"'

 

[Mazinny]

It would get no attention, it would simply be another story about a career politician doing what politicians do and would never be mentioned.

5 term congressman who immediately followed his father ( a 13 term congressman ) in the same congressional district. Apparently his dad was involved in some shady dealings too, but got off on technicalities.

http://escondidograpevine.com/2017/03/23/hunter-campaign-finance-gift-keeps-giving/