Deeming Regulations have been released!!!!

[MacTechVpr]

I think they came to realize a while back that the times were gonna change, and if they wanted to survive, they'd have to change too…that market for e-liquid type vapor products has already passed them by and that they can't really compete in that arena.

Which is exactly why they want to ban it...

Always felt there was natural synergistic potential between tobacco and vaping. Sadly they chose a suppressive rather than a more open and collaborative model. The die was cast when BT made gov their monopoly partners. Our megalithic international corporations have thus moved so far beyond human scale that they epitomize the very proposition of artificial entity in all its sterile soulless attributes. But they'll make sure we have our daily banana.

Good luck.

 

[Eskie]

With the research & development money they have they could run circles around the mom and pop shops. Not only in the e-liquid arena but in the device market as well. There are devices that haven't even been invented yet that will make what we use today seem antiquated. It would be like Mattel competing with Lockheed Martin in rocket technology.

If they go with Lockheed as a partner, they should be able to come up with the ultimate stealth vape.

Always felt there was natural synergistic potential between tobacco and vaping. Sadly they chose a suppressive rather than a more open and collaborative model. The die was cast when BT made gov their monopoly partners. Our megalithic international corporations have thus moved so far beyond human scale that they epitomize the very proposition of artificial entity in all its sterile soulless attributes. But they'll make sure we have our daily banana.

Good luck.

BT is in a funny position. First is they know they'll never get away with calling it harm reduction because no one trusts them. Second is how to build something that comes in at an attractive price point with ease of use for their current smokers. Their cigalikes do accomplish that, and require no real effort by the user other than charge an attach a cartridge.

For BT to market to, for want of a better phrase, the "high end" hobbyist vaper runs into the issue that we all hate them and won't buy their stuff, and marketing to the masses will require a ton of customer service support when folks can't figure out how to use the gear, and don't know to come to a site like this to help out.

Besides, if you look at total vape sales including cigalikes (all the ENDS stuff however you refer to it) they already hold a large market share. I also have no doubt they'll start acquisitions of successful, more "advanced" pod mods. Look what happened to NJoy when they tried expanding into the vape market of vape shops vs. convenience stores. Nice quote on a story about their reorganization and corporate turnaround after bankruptcy. There is one quote that I think is helpful in providing context.

"NJOY, Inc., was primarily a manufacturer of disposable cigalikes. But three years ago, the company made a stab at entering the gourmet e-liquid market. Despite the quality of the product, NJOY, Inc., was caught between its core convenience store business and the new vape shop market. It never really found a place in the open-systems world, and lost traction in c-stores as the tobacco companies used their distribution power to push the independents out of the cigalike market."

NJOY is back from bankruptcy - Vaping360

 

[MacTechVpr]

...And make it so Only You can pass Go. And Only You can Collect Two Hundred Dollars.

Great euphemism z. Use it all the time and all too often.

G'luck.

 

[englishmick]

I don't think BT ever wanted Bans. Can't reap Profits off a Banned product.

And in an Ironic Twist, e-Cigarettes/e-Liquids gained a degree of Protection under the FSTCA once they were Deemed a Tobacco Product. BT's Lawyers knew this. So you do what any good Strategist would do when you know you Can't Win the Game.

You Change the Rules.

And make it so Only You can pass Go. And Only You can Collect Two Hundred Dollars.

And if they can pull it off they might be able to get out from under some of those Master Settlement payments.

 

[CMD-Ky]

I don't think BT ever wanted Bans. Can't reap Profits off a Banned product.

And in an Ironic Twist, e-Cigarettes/e-Liquids gained a degree of Protection under the FSTCA once they were Deemed a Tobacco Product. BT's Lawyers knew this. So you do what any good Strategist would do when you know you Can't Win the Game.

You Change the Rules.

And make it so Only You can pass Go. And Only You can Collect Two Hundred Dollars.

The new road to economic success today is to get the government to interfere with, disrupt, regulate or criminalize your competitors.

 

[MacTechVpr]

The new road to economic success today is to get the government to interfere with, disrupt, regulate or criminalize your competitors.

Don't forget malign. Very important that. Including their customers for being so selfish and stupid. Always plays well with the audience.

G'luck.

 

[Rossum]

BT is in a funny position. First is they know they'll never get away with calling it harm reduction because no one trusts them. Second is how to build something that comes in at an attractive price point with ease of use for their current smokers. Their cigalikes do accomplish that, and require no real effort by the user other than charge an attach a cartridge.

Yep, there's a substantial fraction of folks out there who don't want to be bothered with anything more than that. Heck, for some of them, keeping their batteries charged is too much trouble already.

For BT to market to, for want of a better phrase, the "high end" hobbyist vaper runs into the issue that we all hate them and won't buy their stuff, and marketing to the masses will require a ton of customer service support when folks can't figure out how to use the gear, and don't know to come to a site like this to help out.

I think that part of the market is lost BT forever.

However, I take issue with the notion that we all hate them. I don't hate them. For me, the divorce was amicable.

Besides, if you look at total vape sales including cigalikes (all the ENDS stuff however you refer to it) they already hold a large market share.

I wonder how those "sales" are counted. I suspect BT counts them as sold once they're on a retailer's self. But I have never once seen a cig-a-like actually being sold to a customer in a C-Store, no have I ever encountered anyone using one.

 

[zoiDman]

And if they can pull it off they might be able to get out from under some of those Master Settlement payments.

It's kinda a Win - Win when you think about it.

And Trust me, BT has given this a LOT of thought.

 

[zoiDman]

The new road to economic success today is to get the government to interfere with, disrupt, regulate or criminalize your competitors.

It does seem to be a Trend in some Sectors of our Economy.

And some things like Indiana's Monopolistic Legislative Abomination which would have called for Select Committee Probes and Removal of Elected Officials a decade or so ago are today brushed off as a "Mistake". Or that the Person who signed it into Law might not have Read It.

Guess if you see Enough car wrecks everyday that it takes a Really Big car wreck for people to Wake Up and to take notice.

 

[Pamawoman]

First is they know they'll never get away with calling it harm reduction

The thing is they ARE calling it exactly that on their PMI website. As someone else said they will probably ruin it by putting some evil chemical in theirs to make it super addictive. They have stolen so many lives! I HATE them!

 

[medleypat]

I see people on here always badmouthing BT and I agree to some extant but I think I bigger problem is BP. Look at the people in the FDA that had ties to BP. The BT are talking about harm reduction and bringing out noncombustible products but BP had nothing. Like someone said the master settlement is based off cig sales so if they can find another way to make money and not have to pay out as much win-win for them. Not sure but maybe.

 

[Sugar_and_Spice]

I see people on here always badmouthing BT and I agree to some extant but I think I bigger problem is BP. Look at the people in the FDA that had ties to BP. The BT are talking about harm reduction and bringing out noncombustible products but BP had nothing. Like someone said the master settlement is based off cig sales so if they can find another way to make money and not have to pay out as much win-win for them. Not sure but maybe.

errr. Well Big Pharmaceutical (BP) are kinda expected to be at the Food and Drug Administration. Big Tobacco(BT), not so much.

Problem is they both have lied or omitted info endlessly for a very long time. People just do not trust them to come out with a product that can actually 'do no harm'. And to date, BP's products just plain do not work without some serious complications to the user. i.e. Chantix.

Me, I am very weary of what they show in that pic of their 'flavor crystals'. Any one know how they are made and what they are made of?

 

[Alexander Mundy]

If you are talking about the pic I posted, that is of the 1980's "Premier" smokeless cigarette.

 

[1/2 fast]

Me, I am very weary of what they show in that pic of their 'flavor crystals'. Any one know how they are made and what they are made of?

No doubt just Unicorn milk and happy magic dust. They wouldn't use anything that would be harmful. They have our best interests at heart after all.

 

[Sugar_and_Spice]

If you are talking about the pic I posted, that is of the 1980's "Premier" smokeless cigarette.

I guess I was....I agree with Classwife,...it looks gross.

 

[Alexander Mundy]

Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.

Health Cops Now Calling For Regulation Of Caffeine

 

[Robino1]

Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.

Health Cops Now Calling For Regulation Of Caffeine

Of course it's California and using the 'kids' as the reason.

 

[DeAnna2112]

it's so overwhelming, stupid and i hope they all burn in hell

 

[Lessifer]

I actually read the original reports when the teen died and the cause of death is not "caffeine overdose" and the medical examiner was very careful not to word it that way. As with most things, it's not that simple. Yes, he consumed a large amount of caffeine, but depending on which energy drink he consumed there could be other compounding influences. Of course the simple answer is to have parents teach their children moderation, but what are the odds of that happening?

As a teen I regularly consumed soda, coffee, and no-doze. Not smart, but I was aware of my limits.

 

[zoiDman]

Is all this News?

Or a Regurgitation of an Op-Ed piece that was printed in the Washington Post?