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So, Dr. Adams was the Indiana State Health Commissioner when Vice President Pence, then Governor, signed that vaping legislation that was ruled unconstitutional which tried to direct all business to a small handful of "special" people and otherwise close down vaping in IN? Good times.

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So, Dr. Adams was the Indiana State Health Commissioner when Vice President Pence, then Governor, signed that vaping legislation that was ruled unconstitutional which tried to direct all business to a small handful of "special" people and otherwise close down vaping in IN? Good times.

That how things work in the "Swamp".

And now Dr. Adams has a pair of Much Larger Boots.
 

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So, Dr. Adams was the Indiana State Health Commissioner when Vice President Pence, then Governor, signed that vaping legislation that was ruled unconstitutional which tried to direct all business to a small handful of "special" people and otherwise close down vaping in IN? Good times.

What was Adams role in that?
 
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What was Adams role in that?

Only speculation, as healthcare related stuff in government is typically reviewed, or their opinion sought on issues relevant to public health. Legislators without medical training lack the ability and knowledge to establish policies without at least someone telling them.

As both were there when that fiasco happened, I think it is legitimate to at least question if Dr. Adams was involved or not, and if so, to what degree.
 
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Only speculation, as healthcare related stuff in government is typically reviewed, or their opinion sought on issues relevant to public health. Legislators without medical training lack the ability and knowledge to establish policies without at least someone telling them.

As both were there when that fiasco happened, I think it is legitimate to at least question if Dr. Adams was involved or not, and if so, to what degree.
It may be legitimate to ask the question, but not to assume the answer.
And I feel like I saw a tad of the latter in the posts before mine?
 
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It may be legitimate to ask the question, but not to assume the answer.
And I feel like I saw a tad of the latter in the posts before mine?

True. However, we know Pence did sign the legislation, and any excuse of "I didn't know exactly what was in it" rings hollow. It is also the responsibility of a State Health Commissioner to be aware of legislation that impact public health. If he was unaware that bill was even under consideration and passed that does fall at his feet as he was in charge and didn't check up on what the folks working for him were doing on their workdays.

I believe accountability is necessary for politicians, particularly those in higher office. I'd have far more respect for a politician who steps up and says "Well, that didn't work out the way I thought it would, lets fix it" instead of "I didn't know what that legislation would really do". I don't expect politicians to be infallible, they're people just like us (other than whatever personality disorders they probably have) and make mistakes. I own mine, I've rarely seen a politician own theirs.
 

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... I don't expect politicians to be infallible, they're people just like us (other than whatever personality disorders they probably have) and make mistakes. I own mine, I've rarely seen a politician own theirs.

I don't think any Reasonable person would expect an Individual Politician to be Infallible. Beacause No Human is.

But isn't this the Reason why the Legislative/Governing process has Checks in Place? So something like what happened in Indiana couldn't happen?

How Many Individuals in the Entire Process had to "Look the Other Way" for Indiana to create an Illegal Monopolized e-Liquid Market?

Assembly Leadership?
House/Senate Judiciary Committees?
Attorney General/Justice Department?
The Lieutenant Governor?
Counsel to the Governor's Office?
The Governor?
 
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I don't remember *any* politicians doing that... Freaking Bernie, who was my adorable muppet for a time, well I guess his desire to provide EVERY kid with a free college education had more to do with his wife siphoning off money from school systems and his response was "My wife is the most honest person I know." From CNN politics. Bernie, of course she is, you are a CAREER POLITICIAN, your wife probably looks like driven snow to your collegues. :( I miss the muppet Bernie. Let's not forget Clinton and his mouth inhale, not to mention utter LYING under oath and trying to manipulate the word "it" then saying he lied in that book that has a secondary use as a doorstop, that thing is so heavy.

Husband is dying for the Clinton(s) to be locked up, I keep telling him that's NOT going to happen, DJT inveited them to his *wedding* furchristsakes, (politifact) he has already stated publicly he has no interest in doing so.

I'm sort of glad I didn't naturalize this year in time to get down to the MVA and waggle my naturalization certificate in their faces, when it came time to vote I felt so sad. :( Probably would have gone down the libretarian road, Gary Johnson had some issues but his VP was pretty darn solid, IMO.

Why are politicians refusing to read legislation that they sign? Well, again, this is where we should sit them down in their chairs in congress (tied up) and force them to watch Idiocracy *or* read the legislation handed to them so that they HAVE to admit they know about the bad stuff. This excuse has been used so often lately, I just.... Bah.

Still stocking up, but now I'm going to spread it out a bit, as July 4th cannot happen again. :)

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OK, maybe I was wrong about Pence not being able to read stuff. He did this at NASA the other day
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So, what part of "Critical Space Flight Hardware Do Not Touch" did he miss?
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So, Dr. Adams was the Indiana State Health Commissioner when Vice President Pence, then Governor, signed that vaping legislation that was ruled unconstitutional which tried to direct all business to a small handful of "special" people and otherwise close down vaping in IN? Good times.
AND his "medical" training is as an anesthesiologist. :blink:

Highest doctor in the land? o_O

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Only speculation, as healthcare related stuff in government is typically reviewed, or their opinion sought on issues relevant to public health. Legislators without medical training lack the ability and knowledge to establish policies without at least someone telling them.

As both were there when that fiasco happened, I think it is legitimate to at least question if Dr. Adams was involved or not, and if so, to what degree.
As does an anesthesiologist lack the knowledge on almost everything medical.

Might as well be a phlebotomist or radiologist. SMH

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True. However, we know Pence did sign the legislation, and any excuse of "I didn't know exactly what was in it" rings hollow. It is also the responsibility of a State Health Commissioner to be aware of legislation that impact public health. If he was unaware that bill was even under consideration and passed that does fall at his feet as he was in charge and didn't check up on what the folks working for him were doing on their workdays.

I believe accountability is necessary for politicians, particularly those in higher office. I'd have far more respect for a politician who steps up and says "Well, that didn't work out the way I thought it would, lets fix it" instead of "I didn't know what that legislation would really do". I don't expect politicians to be infallible, they're people just like us (other than whatever personality disorders they probably have) and make mistakes. I own mine, I've rarely seen a politician own theirs.
True. However, we know Pence did sign the legislation, and any excuse of "I didn't know exactly what was in it" rings hollow.

Sure.

If you can prove any old anesthesiologist can disseminate the data and prove/disprove causation/correlation within a reasonable doubt.

I'd prefer a pulmonologist... or a truck driver. :blink: seriously!

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To be fair, actually, anasthesiologist training is pretty extensive. It's a high risk profession, people (or at least the people connected to the person) get really cranky if the person dies on the table thanks to the anesthesiologist. It's a... skillset, but a fairly comprehensive one. I have a friend who tranined as one, it took him over 9 years.

To be fair, I don't think being an anesthesiologist qualifes you to be the "highest doctor in the land," OR the VP. I have mixed feelings about good old Pence, but one thing's for certain.... I wouldn't allow him to be my anasthesiologist at *this point* he's looking a bit like *he* might die while *I* was on the table, at this point.

I've kinda decided that judging our politicians should be done based on how they look (in part), I've noticed the really corrupt ones kind of beam evil out of their eyes while whithering away. Did anyone see how happy Dubya looked at the inaguration? He looked like a man who was like, "Okay, I fulfilled my obligation to my family, now I'm hanging out on my ranch. Period." :) I thought Obama was looking okay until I went to my "Inauguration Ceremony" at which my first question was, (by the security guard) "Where is your family, they should be here celebrating with you?" And it never even *occurred* to my family that they would accompany me to said celebration (I had to hastily invent an excuse) and I saw his speedily recorded and early in his term(s) "Welcome to America," speech and I was like Holy Batman! There was lots of other awkward stuff like people getting up to "share their journey to America" and flagwaving, (I am now the proud owner of a flag, it was in my "info" packet) and the Judge said that "Normally I am having to make unhappy decisions, but this is one of those few times where I'm not," and I was like (silently) "So dude, you never find anyone not guilty?"

To be fair, I'm not big on ceremonies, some people loved it and I understand why :)

But yeah, I got through it, and to my main point, I wouldn't let Pence put me under, and if all the staff were women only, he wouldn't be able to do it without his wife present, and I'm not sure how I'd feel about that.

Anna
 

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