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Deeming Regulations have been released!!!!
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I think a good game of laser tag might not go amiss... Of course, now I've given away my secret(s), but I can also move MUCH faster, man. Were I a never smoker, it might have been a 40K win.
LOL, I then sent my kid in alone a few times so he could feel as though he redeemed himself. Sneaky and smart adults should really only beat the pants off their kid if that kid is goofy enough to *challenge* them directly....
Anna
Of course, now I've given away my secret(s), but I can also move MUCH faster, man. Were I a never smoker, it might have been a 40K win.LOL, I then sent my kid in alone a few times so he could feel as though he redeemed himself. Sneaky and smart adults should really only beat the pants off their kid if that kid is goofy enough to *challenge* them directly....
Anna
There is no conflict between 'theory and practical'. If a theory is correct, it will work out practically. If the theory was wrong, it wouldn't work. In your analogy - you had an idea about the 'enemy'. It was 'idealistic' and you carried it out. You won = your 'theory' was correct.
If an 'enemy' would have caught you without 'killing', holding you at bay, so to speak, and ask you to take the lightning icon off your gun and then said they would take the trigger, sights and software as well, if you didn't get rid of the lightning icon. You scratch off the icon and they still take the trigger, sights and software, since you already showed 'practically' that you would comply with what they said.
"Contrary to the fanatical belief of its advocates, compromise [on basic principles] does not satisfy, but dissatisfies everybody; it does not lead to general fulfillment, but to general frustration; those who try to be all things to all men, end up by not being anything to anyone. And more: the partial victory of an unjust claim, encourages the claimant to try further; the partial defeat of a just claim, discourages and paralyzes the victim." Rand
I like to think in dialectics, not compromises. That said, I was a philosophy major undergrad, so I've read more than Ayn Rand. I won't insult her as you appear to deify her a bit but try some John Rawls to learn about freedom TO, not just freedom FROM, as Ayn Rand is a black and white, concrete thinker, you might want to read some Marsha Linehan, too.
I'm not getting into your hypotheticals, as people who use them in the fashion above do so to prove Their Point Only, which is not very dialectical, nor does it involve logic, other than a false dichotomy in which the straw man argument is repeatedly presented.
Post genetically modified to be way politer than it started out.
Anna
I'm not getting into your hypotheticals, as people who use them in the fashion above do so to prove Their Point Only, which is not very dialectical, nor does it involve logic, other than a false dichotomy in which the straw man argument is repeatedly presented.
Post genetically modified to be way politer than it started out.
Anna
eliquid and mods are already regulated to be sold only to legal aged adults. If consumers don't like childish packaging they won't buy it and the manufacturers will stop making the packaging if it doesn't sell much. A free market system working as it should. Will restricting packaging lead to restricting flavors and nicotine levels and even more restrictions down the road? Most likely.
I like to think in dialectics, not compromises. That said, I was a philosophy major undergrad, so I've read more than Ayn Rand. I won't insult her as you appear to deify her a bit but try some John Rawls to learn about freedom TO, not just freedom FROM, as Ayn Rand is a black and white, concrete thinker, you might want to read some Marsha Linehan, too.
I'm not getting into your hypotheticals, as people who use them in the fashion above do so to prove Their Point Only, which is not very dialectical, nor does it involve logic, other than a false dichotomy in which the straw man argument is repeatedly presented.
Post genetically modified to be way politer than it started out.
Anna
Rawls interesting... Linehan
... yeah, we have little to discuss any further. Also a philosophy major and well read, but again, we have so little in common and I'll be 'politer' as well by bowing out, and won't suggest further reading of stuff you may have already read and rejected. Well, I respect your intelligence Kent C., but yes, we probably have different philosophies in mind. I appreciate your response and I really tried to get on board with some of your posts, but it's a big divide, I think.
Anna
Anna
The "regulatory" ship has already sailed. It is far too late for a "Dont tread on me" approach to succeed. At this point, it is all about how much can we save. Unfortunately "science" is the only "real" leverage we have at the table. Lets face it, the FDA doesnt care about how "we" feel, their goal is to eradicate smoking, and public opinion is behind them. At least the current regime recognizes the "continuum" and vaping's value in obtaining their ultimate goal.
Actually agree with a lot here. "Current regime" is more of a 'don't tread on me' regime than the last. It may work to our advantage. True science is leverage against their junk science and except for those that will never let go of their junk science, the truth tends to make it's way out into public opinion, but it takes a while after such black PR. "Feeling" never works... except perhaps to make a few feel better about themselves. ;- )
I think we should settle it this way. Laser tag with Anna and Mitch Zeller. Whoever wins gets to decide on the deeming 
I Never felt the Goal of the FDA was to Eradicate Smoking. Even if they somehow had the Power to do so.
Seems kinda Silly to Cut the Head off the Goose that brings you about $30,000,000 a Day. Everyday.
I would think a Better Goal would be to Find Something that brings you a Lot of Money, but Doesn't have the Nasty Side Effects that Smoking does. ie: Kills those who use it.
Now where can we find something like that?
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Can we give Anna the Navy's new Laser?
That's a nice one isn't it!
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I could beat that dude standing on my head, he's been smoking since the womb, I think. LOL. I don't need the new laser, but if he needs to die, I'll accept the challenge I kid... I kid. Although if I beat him, he's taking up vaping. This is not negotiable. Other smokers can still smoke, but not THAT dude.
Anna
I mean, look at the guy, he looks like he needs a non-smoking environment for even a minute:
https://specials-images.forbesimg.c...96492f2/640x0.jpg?fit=scale&background=000000
I don't need the new laser, but if he needs to die, I'll accept the challenge I kid... I kid. Although if I beat him, he's taking up vaping. This is not negotiable. Other smokers can still smoke, but not THAT dude. Anna
I mean, look at the guy, he looks like he needs a non-smoking environment for even a minute:
https://specials-images.forbesimg.c...96492f2/640x0.jpg?fit=scale&background=000000
Predating that was the Chuck vs Silver Bullet wars.
And I can go back even further if you want to get real primitive.
I could beat that dude standing on my head, he's been smoking since the womb, I think. LOL.
Anna
I mean, look at the guy, he looks like he needs a non-smoking environment for even a minute:
https://specials-images.forbesimg.c...96492f2/640x0.jpg?fit=scale&background=000000
LOL! Wrong, "Mitch".
Predating that was the Chuck vs Silver Bullet wars.
And I can go back even further if you want to get real primitive.
I always love a good story. Besides, I was a late bloomer (Provi, Darwin & Buzz were all the chatter by the time I crawled in).
Lavatube tried to break into the "Playah" category, but that was a tough sell from the git-go.
If you're telling stories though - I'm listening...
All the stories from all the people are documented here...
I remember back in the day...
But it's a long read now, so many years later.
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