Deeming Regulations have been released!!!!
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You're probably right that they could hit 2 shops a day with a well-planned regional inspection regime, at least covering 80-90% of the shops in and around the largest metro areas. This could happen but I'm still hopeful the restrictions will not significantly harm this new and growing industry and only have a limited impact on our daily vaping. The focus should be on combustion reduction and keeping nic away from kids and that's consistent with what we've heard from Gottlieb so far. I know this is a complex issue with the tobacco lobby involved but remain optimistic until there's more certainty on the changes.
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And they don't have to hit every shop, like the IRS doesn't have to audit every return to coerce compliance.
It's been Damocles sword since the FSPTCA taking of this industry unlawfully prevailed in '09 with its open-ended grant of authority to FDA. The postulated enforcement is only the latest tremor to swing the blade. The real king will not yield. It's bewildering how vapers have so underestimated the threat and how vape business culture has remained so indifferent in persuading them to the cause of countering bureaucracy. How could so many, do so little, with so much?
Good luck.
... How could so many, do so little, with so much?
Good luck.
Dunno?
Because Sloth and Greed are Cardinal Sins?
Blinded by the clouds, the infighting, and the complacency of being in the Boa's grasp. The Boa is patient and persistent, giving slack to decrease sudden apprehension. Oh to see the mighty Boa slain by decapitation...It's been Damocles sword since the FSPTCA taking of this industry unlawfully prevailed in '09 with its open-ended grant of authority to FDA. The postulated enforcement is only the latest tremor to swing the blade. The real king will not yield. It's bewildering how vapers have so underestimated the threat and how vape business culture has remained so indifferent in persuading them to the cause of countering bureaucracy. How could so many, do so little, with so much?
Good luck.
Right, you make an example/spectacle of one (or a few) and the rest tend to comply.
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Or hit big importers/distributors first, they'll have warehouses full of non compliant devices. If the supply chain is broken this will affect hundreds or thousands of shops. They'd have to order directly and do the customs game (which, depending on your laws, could see their business closed down).
Also, it may pit shops vs other shops like it did here where they sue each other for carrying non-registered devices, making the regulators job way easier.
As long as shops can sell something they don't seem to really care (apart from very idealistic ones), they're not necessarily on the consumer side. Eg regulating nic strength could raise their revenue, reducing the choice of devices could make stocking and sales more consistent etc... they're not activists, they're sales people.
There never was really room for dilettantes in this endeavor. I mean we're not just vapin toasters here. Not the commercial opportunists nor those who oppose the idea, none Boy Scouts.
But it's not really idealistic, purist or impractical to want to run your own business without someone having a hand in your affairs and the till. Show us a good reason, they might have our support.
Good luck.
Government intrusion into business is hardly unique to vaping. The FTC has it's hands in nearly every business and a great many different business also have to deal with the FDA and/or the EPA. Even companies that you wouldn't think about having to deal with it. For example lets take a publicly traded company that makes computers, monitors, and printers. They have to follow and comply with all of the FTC rules and audits because they are publicly traded. They have to comply with numerous EPA guidelines and audits and pay all sorts of MANDATORY environmental recycling fees. Then they also have to make sure every document, record, etc. is stored and reported in compliance with SOX (Sarbanes-Oxley) rules. That is just the tip of the iceberg really. The reality is government regulations impact pretty much every company, to some degree or another.
Scott, no es que joden, si no lo mucho que lo hacen.
Good luck.
Yep. Nobody's exempt. That's why larger companies have to hire people to deal with all the government crap.
I was one of those people for about 5 years. I was an IT Analyst working for a regulatory compliance group for a top computer manufacturer. The amount of government intrusion into even that sort of business was quite the eye opener when I started. So the government IS going to be intruding into the vaping business and there is nothing we can do to stop it. What we CAN do is try to limit the scope as much as possible but that is going to require people to step out of their comfort zone a bit and speak up and speak out. Write congressmen, respond to the FDA open inquiries, and get others to do the same.
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