Deeming Regulations have been released!!!!

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To me the 17th sort of flies in the face of the 10th.

Agreed, but I think we are screwed by career politicians regardless. Incumbants re-elected ninety percent of the time. My one and only bumper sticker for a long time is: Re-elect No One.
 

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It certainly is worth it to go, the city still bears the marks of decades of division
alexanderplatz.jpg

(and it's not only the street lights) which is rather unique.
 

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A strong national security/defense. a nice transportation system, and 10% of the budget for the truly needy that cannot help themselves. Beyond that, very little. I like the 10th amendment.

Do you think your government is capable of delivering a nice transportation system without making a complete boondoggle of it? There are lots of things I’d like from government if I thought government could provide those things efficiently. I have been to the DMV though, and, come to think of it, I’d also like a pony.

What I want from the _federal_ government is, domestically, a sovereign power that ensures certain basic civil rights for all citizens, if local government denies such, and one that enforces the commerce clause without overreaching. And, in terms of foreign policy, a sovereign power that provides for national defense but otherwise minds its own business.

Other than that, what I want from the federal government is to be left alone. Well- I suppose things would be very different if I had my way. I don’t, so I suppose I’ll have to live with things as they are.

I do think it’s important to note that, as much as I disagree with the current state of things, when you compare it to how things have been in the past we have it pretty good. I might dissent from the current order, in some ways, but I would not like to see it overthrown.
 

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To come back to an earlier topic, apparently the FDA doesn't have the authority to fully regulate e liquid labels. They have authority over 30% of the surface for warning notices, the rest is up to the manufacturer.
They cannot influence labels based on "marketing to kids".
So what's it about with the labels? The FDA involved the FTC which has authority over trademark issues, it's about trademarks and not kids.

Btw the rest of that YT channel also seems interesting.
 

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So there's 499 pages of regulations out? If things go bad there won't be new products for you in about 90 days? :eek:

Under the Deeming Rule, no new products can be released after 8/1/2016 without FDA approval. Fortunately, that part of the Rule hasn't been enforced so far. Also, the 8/1/2018 deadline has been extended to 2022.
 

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Under the Deeming Rule, no new products can be released after 8/1/2016 without FDA approval. Fortunately, that part of the Rule hasn't been enforced so far. Also, the 8/1/2018 deadline has been extended to 2022.
Yep I knew that but nevertheless got duped by an article with a wrong date (apparently it always has "present date" at the top). Best ignore that :oops:
 

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Yep I knew that but nevertheless got duped by an article with a wrong date (apparently it always has "present date" at the top). Best ignore that :oops:

That is big peeve of mine with so many pages on the internet in general. So many articles either have no date of publication at all, so it's hard to tell how fresh or outdated the info is, or worse, they always post the current date so outdated material falsely appears fresh.
 

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Under the Deeming Rule, no new products can be released after 8/1/2016 without FDA approval. Fortunately, that part of the Rule hasn't been enforced so far. Also, the 8/1/2018 deadline has been extended to 2022.
Why go after the hardware when you can simply choke the nic supply chain.
 

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Well... yes. But aren't they going to do both? I thought the FDA was assembling a "team" to inspect Chinese packages. I really really want to be hired onto that team. I can "miss" a lot of things if that is my desire. Oh, I'm sure I'd get fired, but it's really no big deal. I mean, I'd be a "government employee" then. They're hard to fire.

I think we should all be applying, personally.

Anna
 

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Well... yes. But aren't they going to do both? I thought the FDA was assembling a "team" to inspect Chinese packages. I really really want to be hired onto that team. I can "miss" a lot of things if that is my desire. Oh, I'm sure I'd get fired, but it's really no big deal. I mean, I'd be a "government employee" then. They're hard to fire.

I think we should all be applying, personally.

Anna

I want to be on that team and then be like the postal worker who had over 13,000 pieces of undelivered mail in his home.
 

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I thought the FDA was assembling a "team" to inspect Chinese packages
While I'm not the one you want to contact for law/government/that stuff I'm pretty sure the FDA doesn't have the power to do that nor will they ever get it. You already have such a team, they're called customs and have the right to control private shipments on suspicion. The FDA may have the power to compel customs into stopping vape gear and maybe customs will have a special team for that but I seriously doubt the FDA themselves can do that.
 
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While I'm not the one you want to contact for law/government/that stuff I'm pretty sure the FDA doesn't have the power to do that nor will they ever get it. You already have such a team, they're called customs and have the right to control private shipments on suspicion. The FDA may have the power to compel customs into stopping vape gear and maybe customs will have a special team for that but I seriously doubt the FDA can do that.

I'm not sure how it worked but FDA sure was in on seizing shipments in 2009. The court case was against the FDA not customs.
 

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Yes da Gottlieb announced, proudly, that they were funding (3 million, and I could do that job ALONE for 3 million) Custom's inspectors to "seize" vape equipment, I'm QUITE certain. Because I immediately went, "I want/need that job, for me and vapers everywhere," and it was a bit disturbing frankly, I think it kind of came out of nowhere during one of his "flav-AH" speeches (just imagining if Trump's daughter had said the speech, and been "sex-AH" the way she somehow manages. She should really do all the speeches, we'd all be distracted, the dudes would be like, "Maybe it's not so bad." and the (straight) women would be like, "How does she do sexy and ostrich at the same time?"

I really kind of wish she headed up the Media team. I can always use a bit more Ivanka in my life. I love/hate/love her to bits! LOL.

Anna
 
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FDA got a court order, then Customs enforced said order on their behalf, I believe.
In most (or maybe all?) western democracies there's a privacy/secrecy of correspondence which can only be breached under very specific circumstances and only by specially authorized people. Usually only one state agency can do that and others will have to go through them.

I read a bit about how it works in the US and for you it's customs that are allowed to do that at the border, nobody else (maybe your more secretive agencies NSA/FBI/CIA but I couldn't find anything on that).
In Germany only specific postal employees (or the recipient of the item themselves) can do that in the presence of customs officers (who picked the package), so there's 2 agencies involved (for mutual control) but only one allowed to open mail/packages.

I think rangertrix is correct, FDA can tell customs to look out for something but FDA employees will never stand at the border and look for vape gear.
The court case was against the FDA not customs.
Customs are just following orders, if you want to change what they look at you need to go after the agency which gave that order.
If customs don't misbehave and act according to their orders there's no way to go after them.
It's like the police has to enforce the law and if they do so properly/correctly they're always in the right, you can only go after those making the laws.
 
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Ivanka gives speeches? I never noticed her speaking, if I had, I am certain that I would have liked them.
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Yes da Gottlieb announced, proudly, that they were funding (3 million, and I could do that job ALONE for 3 million) Custom's inspectors to "seize" vape equipment, I'm QUITE certain. Because I immediately went, "I want/need that job, for me and vapers everywhere," and it was a bit disturbing frankly, I think it kind of came out of nowhere during one of his "flav-AH" speeches (just imagining if Trump's daughter had said the speech, and been "sex-AH" the way she somehow manages. She should really do all the speeches, we'd all be distracted, the dudes would be like, "Maybe it's not so bad." and the (straight) women would be like, "How does she do sexy and ostrich at the same time?"

I really kind of wish she headed up the Media team. I can always use a bit more Ivanka in my life. I love/hate/love her to bits! LOL.

Anna
 

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