Deeming Regulations have been released!!!!

[Alexander Mundy]

Modding isnt what it used to be, especially here. Most of it has moved elsewhere. Even then, not as much demand when so many mass market, flashy, (more/less) full featured, mods are now available for less than a Modder could even buy the parts.

Eggsactly. I still use computers but it isn't fun like building a Z80 computer from IC's and discrete components before anyone but us geek hobbyist's had computers. My phone is leaps and bounds ahead of my first 4 bit machine I built which is stone age tech now. The "fun" for me in anything is tinkering and building what can't be bought at the store. vaping is in the 5150 green screen IBM PC stages now. That is when the "fun" started to wane (and when Radio Shack started to become obsolete and turned into a consumer outlet), although software lagged behind hardware so white hacking was still "fun" till it became illegal. I'll still make my own mods but some of the "fun" is already gone.

 

[ScottP]

The thing about DNA boards is that they have a lifespan.. sure you can buy a few but your still looking at what? 10-15 years before they are just not very good anymore?

Mechs don't have that problem because of the fact they don't have boards etc. To go bad..

The question will always be - how hard will it be after deeming to get boards into the U.S..

If I can make a regulated mod out of a 2x4, I can make an unregulated one even easier. I can also see some creative minds posting simple boost circuit diagrams for the hard core DIY'ers.

 

[ScottP]

And thats without even touching the whole "black market" topic, which obviously thrives for many other products.

Exactly. There is not one single thing that has ever been banned that is not available 24x7x365 if you really want it.

 

[mikepetro]

Eggsactly. I still use computers but it isn't fun like building a Z80 computer from IC's and discrete components before anyone but us geek hobbyist's had computers. My phone is leaps and bounds ahead of my first 4 bit machine I built which is stone age tech now. The "fun" for me in anything is tinkering and building what can't be bought at the store. Vaping is in the 5150 green screen IBM PC stages now. That is when the "fun" started to wane (and when Radio Shack started to become obsolete and turned into a consumer outlet), although software lagged behind hardware so white hacking was still "fun" till it became illegal. I'll still make my own mods but some of the "fun" is already gone.

Same here, I still make 90% of my own mods, and for that matter, I still build 100% of my own desktop/server computers.

For us, "hacker" (in its original use of the term) is a badge of honor. But vaping has become a commodity, only the craftsman and hackers will build mods now.

 

[englishmick]

Same here, I still make 90% of my own mods, and for that matter, I still build 100% of my own desktop/server computers.

For us, "hacker" (in its original use of the term) is a badge of honor. But vaping has become a commodity, only the craftsman and hackers will build mods now.

I once made a decent bit of pocket money building PC's. Then one day people like Dell were selling them for less than I spent on the parts. I never made a mod, by the time I started vaping you didn't need to and I had plenty of other hobbies. Could if I had to I guess.

 

[mikepetro]

I once made a decent bit of pocket money building PC's. Then one day people like Dell were selling them for less than I spent on the parts. I never made a mod, by the time I started vaping you didn't need to and I had plenty of other hobbies. Could if I had to I guess.

Yep, did well myself back in the early days. Same thing happened here, only instead of Gateway it is Smok.

 

[mikepetro]

I once made a decent bit of pocket money building PC's. Then one day people like Dell were selling them for less than I spent on the parts. I never made a mod, by the time I started vaping you didn't need to and I had plenty of other hobbies. Could if I had to I guess.

I would recommend at least building one. Its a good skillset to have in your back pocket. Trying to predict where this whole deeming will go is like trying to time the stockmarket.

 

[Myk]

DNA 75 is the right size for my IPV D2s, would have to make a new face plate from the fire button down, which I'm sure I can do even if I have to make it out of sterling silver. I think the screen on the color version would be too wide.

The thing about DNA boards is that they have a lifespan.

Why do you say that? They have a lifespan programmed in or like all electronics eventually die?
I can deal with them eventually dying. I bet my RN4072's still work, it's been the auto switch that has messed up on them. Most everything else I have still functions unless I've dropped it to death. I even have an 8-track player that still functions, it's the foam on the tapes that has died.

I dont think it will much of an issue. I can take a DNA board and make a damn nice "Hot Knife" for cutting styrofoam (airplane modeling), polyethylene foam, plastics, etc. It would be legal and ethical to market a board for these purposes.

Look at some of the glassware popular in University towns, marketed for "Tobacco Use Only" (yeah.... right). Oh, and BTW, given the legalization trends, that would be a legal application of a TC board.

As long as there is a legal application, then the products will remain available if there is a demand.

And thats without even touching the whole "black market" topic, which obviously thrives for many other products.

Also the "tobacco use only" product's are becoming legal, in some states liquids are the only way to inhale legally. I know the eGo styles are coil killers but they are used so I see no reason why rebuildables and temperature control would be out of the question and they might actually work.
Who knows how the FDA will handle that but we can be sure that profits and taxes are a driving force and since that seems to be the driving force behind the FDA on ecigs I doubt they go after it with the iron fist approach they've taken with ecigs.
We're just the low hanging fruit to say "look we're doing something about tobacco and kids" while they do everything they can to protect tobacco and keep kids smoking.

 

[Opinionated]

Interestingly :

SF Voters May Ban Menthol Cigarettes, Vape Flavors

 

[mikepetro]

Interestingly :

SF Voters May Ban Menthol Cigarettes, Vape Flavors

Using Glantz as the only reference sure does paint a slanted picture.

 

[Myk]

Interestingly :

SF Voters May Ban Menthol Cigarettes, Vape Flavors

Ruth and Stan hard at work. If people like it, it must be bad.

 

[stols001]

It's not whether I can get something or not. I mean, I had access to AK57s at my work, at least on occasion, but more how much of a pain it will be. I'm sure the husband could make me a lovely mod, he's kind of busy, and well, when if the time comes, I'm sure he will if I nag hard enough.

For me, it's the principle of the thing. Already vapers will know what to do, and how to do it even. But it does put a total choke hold on new vapers. The fact that it MAY makes me turn bright red in the face if I think about it hard enough.

A HARM reduction product that works for an addictive substance that kills the most people combined should not be redacted, taxed, and turned into cardboard. The country has gotten a little depressing, it seems.

IDK. I'm all set. I feel still doomy and gloomy about and probably always will.

Anna

 

[ScottP]

I had access to AK57s at my work,

Two things. First I think you meant AK47. Second, you have definitely had some interesting work experience.

 

[Myk]

Two things. First I think you meant AK47. Second, you have definitely had some interesting work experience.

Maybe AK74?
Actually I thought 57 was wrong then I remembered the new one with a 5.xxmm bullet. Until I saw 47 written I didn't remember it was 47 flipped.

It is and always has been about the future non-smokers and their ability to get there.

 

[Rossum]

Interestingly :
SF Voters May Ban Menthol Cigarettes, Vape Flavors

Does anyone else see the irony in this?

 

[mikepetro]

Does anyone else see the irony in this?

Yep, thats the generation trying pull this crap!

 

[Bronze]

Does anyone else see the irony in this?

Not really. They're extremists. Which end of the spectrum doesn't come into play. Contrarianism is what is important.

 

[stols001]

I worked on a native reservation. One of my funnest (but most crazy) clients (who made me a lovely Pascualo mask) owned several. I'm almost 99.99999999 percent sure he would have sold me one if I asked. I didn't. Figured it would probably turn out bad for us.

My most interesting job though was the Hopkins Methadone clinic. You can't beat East Baltimore for excitement! LOL, I don't like boring jobs.

Anna

 

[Lessifer]

I've got to deal with that on my Xanax. 13 years later Walgreens decided to change generic brands. I can't decide if it works or not but I know it's not as strong. I warned my Dr this refill may not last as long as it usually does.
Some Drs and pharmacists act like you're crazy if a generic doesn't work. They claim they're exact no matter how often they're told they're not or news stories prove they're not (Wellbutrin).

So next time (which is a new prescription so even more difficult) I have to call Walgreens to find out if it was a temporary switch or a permanent switch and if they'll get the brand I'm used to and then possibly call around to other pharmacies to see what brand of generic they have, if they'll tell. Hopefully it's just an adjustment.

I just realized how similar it is to buying nicotine. It's all nicotine but it's also different.

I'm late to the party but, try that with pain meds and you'll get reported to your doctor and the pharmacy will refuse to fill your prescription. I know, it's happened to me before.

 

[Lessifer]

I'm curious, what do you all see as the future of the vaping industry? Does it have a built in lifespan? What is the plan once all of the smokers have switched, quit, or died?

Does vaping have a place as a general use consumer product? Can the industry try to attract new customers who have never smoked before?