Deeming Regulations have been released!!!!
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That's interesting, I've seen info about the 59mg/ml limit in US, for example:
Can someone clarify that matter (with a proof link if possible) - is there an official law which limits the amount of nic in e-liquids sold in US or it's a "fake news"?
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Found 100mg/ml salt but it's a nic base I guess not the flavored salt.
Still confused.
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No law I have ever heard about, but for end use eliquid why would anyone need above 6%? As for non end use we can purchase up to 100% (done it) but proper PPE, fume extraction, etc is required for mixing which can't be discussed on ECF.
The math is easier for those less adept, at 10%
and we have plenty of those among our midst.
still, your point holds truth.
Just returned from a trip to the UK.
Noticed they sell ecigs in grocery stores.
A London paper had an article about a plan to give away ecigs at food banks. Aside from the health benefits, they feel it is crazy for people going to food banks to be spending 70 UKP ($100+) per week on tobacco.
Am sure the FDA would be horrified.
Noticed they sell ecigs in grocery stores.
A London paper had an article about a plan to give away ecigs at food banks. Aside from the health benefits, they feel it is crazy for people going to food banks to be spending 70 UKP ($100+) per week on tobacco.
Am sure the FDA would be horrified.
I believe 2 of them are already distributing ecigs to those who wish to try and switch to vaping from regulars.
So there are few sunshine spots here and there but overall picture still looks pretty sad with all that anti-vaping sh@t both in the UK and US
That's odd. Same story earlier reported it as a vape shop, and the infringements as vape related.
Fake news again.
To close THIS loop of stupidity (being me), here is the correct article.
New Haven vape shop faces fine in sale to minor
UnFlavored Nicotine E-Liquid Base
Still, it never ceases to amaze me how something that was illegal to smoke (or bake goodies with), was demonized for decades is now being legalized all over despite the difficulty relating to driving under the influence (no tests like a blood alcohol analyzer to prove it, but vaping is the devil incarnate. Then again, there's plenty in the US that never ceases to amaze me.
His quoted "The roll-out across EU countries of Juul, has been hampered by limits of 20 milligrams of nicotine per millimetre of liquid, compared to 59 in the United States" is talking about end use eliquid and more specifically supplied in a device not base eliquid for mixing which I don't think they can get.The math is easier for those less adept, at 10%
and we have plenty of those among our midst.
still, your point holds truth.
59 mg/ml (5% by weight) is what Juul chooses to use in the US. It is not some kind of legal limit. I can understand why Juul feels hampered by the 20 mg/ml legal limit in the EU. Juul is a very low-powered device, which means it needs a fairly high nicotine concentration to be effective at delivering enough nicotine to substitute for cigarettes.
Thanks for the context. My comment was made having a personal view, that 100 mg/ml base, which is openly marketed to individuals to do with as they please, is in actuality, the marketing of it as an end user product, regardless of the how they choose to use it. I believe at some future point, it may, or perhaps may not, come under the scrutinous eye of the FDA or state and federal legislators. Just an observation...
it's not just Juul's problem for EU, there is no real reason to limit it to 20mg of nic like "to save children" and other honorable fake reasons, as 20mg might not be enough for a regular smoker who did 1+ pack a day for years and because of this limit he might not switch to vaping and continue smoking.
Unless the FDA appeals this Judge's decision, things could go south for us really quick.
Judge orders FDA to speed up review of e-cigarettes
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Judge orders FDA to speed up review of e-cigarettes
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From the above-linked article:
I find this statement misleading. Congress has never made a law requiring the FDA to treat vape products as tobacco products. Instead, a previous administration's FDA "gained" that authority by "deeming" vape products to be "tobacco products". In other words they gave themselves this authority, despite not being under any legal obligation to do so. Heck, the current administration's FDA could (if it were so inclined) simply rescind/revoke the entire Deeming. It would be perfectly legal to do so, although I'm sure doing that would create quite a furor in some circles.
However from a purely pragmatic perspective, we should all acknowledge that the industry has been on borrowed time since at least August 8th of 2018, the original PMTA deadline. If you're reading this and you haven't already figured out how you're going to survive the vape industry getting decimated, well, there's no better time to do that than right now.
I may be wrong, but wasn't there a previous attempt to make vape a drug, and we (vapers of the time) actually fought that off, arguing that it shouldn't be a "drug"? If (a big "if") my memory serves me, that's how it came that vape got labeled as a tobacco product.
I'm not 100% on that, and I think it happened somewhere in the 2010-2012 (ish) range, but I think we (vapers as a whole) may have had a hand in the bullet that now resides in our collective foot. It's not something that's often discussed here, but for some reason I'm thinking it played out along similar lines (of my thought).
Any long-time vapers recall this, or have I just lost my mind (a distinct possibility)?
@Katdarling - recollections or hallucinations, I?
"What a terrible thing to have lost one's mind. Or not to have a mind at all..."
I just saw a list of what is going to be included in the latest 25% tariff on imports from China. One of the items was "Cigarettes and Other Tobacco Products". There were no details about what other tobacco products were involved.
I may be wrong, but wasn't there a previous attempt to make vape a drug, and we (vapers of the time) actually fought that off, arguing that it shouldn't be a "drug"? If (a big "if") my memory serves me, that's how it came that vape got labeled as a tobacco product.
I'm not 100% on that, and I think it happened somewhere in the 2010-2012 (ish) range, but I think we (vapers as a whole) may have had a hand in the bullet that now resides in our collective foot. It's not something that's often discussed here, but for some reason I'm thinking it played out along similar lines (of my thought).
Any long-time vapers recall this, or have I just lost my mind (a distinct possibility)?
@Katdarling - recollections or hallucinations, I?
"What a terrible thing to have lost one's mind. Or not to have a mind at all..."
That would be when Smoking Everywhere and NJoy sued the FDA and Judge Leon ruled that e-cigs are not drugs, but they might be able to regulate them as tobacco products.
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I may be wrong, but wasn't there a previous attempt to make vape a drug, and we (vapers of the time) actually fought that off, arguing that it shouldn't be a "drug"? If (a big "if") my memory serves me, that's how it came that vape got labeled as a tobacco product.
I'm not 100% on that, and I think it happened somewhere in the 2010-2012 (ish) range, but I think we (vapers as a whole) may have had a hand in the bullet that now resides in our collective foot. It's not something that's often discussed here, but for some reason I'm thinking it played out along similar lines (of my thought).
Any long-time vapers recall this, or have I just lost my mind (a distinct possibility)?
@Katdarling - recollections or hallucinations, I?
"What a terrible thing to have lost one's mind. Or not to have a mind at all..."
I should expand on this, I think.
This was the correct fight/position at the time. Had it been lost, the "vape" we know today probably/likely/might not exist at all. Had it been deemed a drug back then, well, it doesn't take too much imagination...
It was a lesser of two evils situation, and we were never going to defeat a government if said government (or lobbyists) got it in their minds to do as much damage as possible, which is precisely what transpired.
As @Rossum said, pack for a long trip (if not already packed).
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