Deeming Regulations have been released!!!!

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Amaretto. I even smell it I want to heave...to this day.
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Oh I still occasionally enjoy a Kahlua Freeze (Kahlua, Amaretto, and vanilla ice cream, blended up). They are especially yummy in the hot summer months.
 

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    This is what I'm wondering about as well.
    I have 6 empty gallon jugs, just for the occasion that I may need to make some snap-buys of nic. (Already have ~3 liters in freezer at all times.)
    I just hope there will be enough chatter about the vaping community (and that I NOTICE it) that I can get some before supply gets too thin.

    I've heard for about 6 years, the phrase "might be a good time to get some more nic". So I'm at a loss as to how to tell when that time may really be here. There's been so much 'sky is falling', that I don't know if I know how to tell when the sky might actually be falling. :confused:

    I agree. I’ve been on the forum ten years and have heard there’s going to be a ban for as long as I can remember. I still keep a few liters of nic on hand all the time but at this point hardware purchases are just for fun. I’m not saying it won’t happen but I think we’ll have a little notice as slow as the government moves.
     

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    I used to think that fortified wine meant "fortified with vitamins and minerals" as in the wine makers were doing their part to ensure the homeless were healthy and buying their products for a little bit longer.

    It made sense to me. But you know, that's me always looking to make the world a brighter, happier place.

    I still think it's a good long term strategy but I was a teen I did not fully understand the way corporate America worked.

    It was probably my brother that told me, the older one that was always correcting my misconceptions in a way that was both edifying, and withering, all at once.

    Siblings You gotta love them.... So you don't kill them and etc.

    But yeah, I found out about grain alcohol soon enough.

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    newyork13

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    All I can say is the 2020 election is more important than ever. If we get a President that appoints a new FDA chairperson that wants to utterly destroy vaping, this will allow them to do it.
    Sure. But, I doubt it's likely that a candidate will talk about vaping in a platform, especially given the nannies whose votes they will seek.
    Then you have the case at hand, where a president seemingly was low regulation, even anti regulations.
    How can one trust what they say when they're campaigning?
    Pander pander pander.
     

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    Sure. But, I doubt it's likely that a candidate will talk about vaping in a platform
    And if they do, it will surely be about stopping the "epidemic among our youth" or some nonsense like that.

    Then you have the case at hand, where a president seemingly was low regulation, even anti regulations.
    Well, the current guy did appoint people to the FDA who looked at the regulations their immediate predecessors had promulgated and almost immediately provided us relief from them, first by kicking the worst of it (the PMTA deadline) four years into the future, and second by not enforcing most of what was already in effect. I sincerely doubt this would have happened had things gone the other way in November of 2016, but of course there's no way to be certain of that.

    How can one trust what they say when they're campaigning?
    One cannot. Even if they sincerely intend to do what they say, they will almost always encounter significant resistance that makes it somewhere between difficult and impossible to deliver.
     

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    One cannot. Even if they sincerely intend to do what they say, they will almost always encounter significant resistance that makes it somewhere between difficult and impossible to deliver.

    QFT

    This is what makes me mad at our politicians. Neither party will work with the other. If a Republican president won on a platform of "gun control", then Democrats would suddenly be pro gun blocking everything. If a Democrat won on a platform of "drill here, drill now" then Republicans would suddenly be all "green energy" and block everything. If you doubt me look at past quotes from Obama, Hillary Clinton, Pelosi, and other top Dems on border security. They were all very pro border security. Now a Republican President wins on a platform of strong border security and suddenly they claim that's racist.

    Flip-flopping liars, every single one of them, in both parties.
     
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    This is what makes me mad at our politicians. Neither party will work with the other. If a Republican president won on a platform of "gun control", then Democrats would suddenly be pro gun blocking everything. If a Democrat won on a platform of "drill here, drill now" then Republicans would suddenly be all "green energy" and block everything. If you doubt me look at past quotes from Obama, Hillary Clinton, Pelosi, and other top Dems on border security. They were all very pro border security. Now a Republican President wins on a platform of strong border security and suddenly they claim that's racist.

    Flip-flopping liars, every single one of them, in both parties.

    People sometimes say it's always been that way, but it's getting worse for sure.

    The USA was set up with co-equal branches of government. I guess the theory was that it would force them to cooperate for the benefit of all of us. In other places somebody wins and runs the show for a few years. Now the USA has the worst of both worlds. Most of the time neither party will have all the levers so the other party can block everything, and they are always posturing for the next election rather than running the country. The lack of political direction means the corporations and other interest groups can move in and run the show unchecked.

    The SC may be the worst casualty of all this IMO. The Dems started the ball rolling downhill with simple majority for judges. The Reps retaliated with Garland and simple majority for the SC. 60% used to make it difficult to appoint partisan hardliners. Now the SC and the rest of the judiciary are nothing more than a branch of the two party system, but without elections and with lifetime tenure. My grandchildren will live out their lives in a world that is shaped by the accident of who happens to be in power when a couple of people die.
     

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    People sometimes say it's always been that way, but it's getting worse for sure.

    The USA was set up with co-equal branches of government. I guess the theory was that it would force them to cooperate for the benefit of all of us. In other places somebody wins and runs the show for a few years. Now the USA has the worst of both worlds. Most of the time neither party will have all the levers so the other party can block everything, and they are always posturing for the next election rather than running the country. The lack of political direction means the corporations and other interest groups can move in and run the show unchecked.

    The SC may be the worst casualty of all this IMO. The Dems started the ball rolling downhill with simple majority for judges. The Reps retaliated with Garland and simple majority for the SC. 60% used to make it difficult to appoint partisan hardliners. Now the SC and the rest of the judiciary are nothing more than a branch of the two party system, but without elections and with lifetime tenure. My grandchildren will live out their lives in a world that is shaped by the accident of who happens to be in power when a couple of people die.
    Gridlock usually produces the best results for the American people. The less they do the more prosperous we are.
     

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    Gridlock usually produces the best results for the American people. The less they do the more prosperous we are.

    For the most part I agree. However, there are some times when we really need to get something done that it becomes bad. Border Security and Health Care are two instances they need to work together. Although neither party even seems to be looking at the root cause for the high costs such as the insane amounts Dr.'s charge for good and services ($25 for an aspirin? Really?) (Side Note: That linked article, without even realizing it, details perfectly why "Medicare for All" absolutely cannot work). The rest of the time though, each party blocking the other party's agenda is exactly what we DO want. Honestly how it is now with Dems in control of one house and Reps in control of the other and the WH is exactly how I like it. Neither one having Carte Blanche to do whatever they want.
     

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    For the most part I agree. However, there are some times when we really need to get something done that it becomes bad. Border Security and Health Care are two instances they need to work together. Although neither party even seems to be looking at the root cause for the high costs such as the insane amounts Dr.'s charge for good and services ($25 for an aspirin? Really?) (Side Note: That linked article, without even realizing it, details perfectly why "Medicare for All" absolutely cannot work). The rest of the time though, each party blocking the other party's agenda is exactly what we DO want. Honestly how it is now with Dems in control of one house and Reps in control of the other and the WH is exactly how I like it. Neither one having Carte Blanche to do whatever they want.
    Yes you are right. There are times they have to work together. Add trade policy as another area. The old ones went to seed and we are in need of an update.
     

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    Gridlock usually produces the best results for the American people. The less they do the more prosperous we are.

    But if government isn't doing anything we're stuck with the status quo. Right now the status quo seems to work great for corporations and the rich but not so well for the rest of us. The only movement is some nibbling around the edges from presidential decrees, bureaucratic maneuvering, and court decisions.

    The partisan disfunction and endless campaigning leads to rubbish decision making. The fate of vaping depends on what line of propaganda their focus groups tell them might sway a few more votes in 2020 and what will bring in the most corporate donations and lucrative job opportunities. There's no benefit to anybody in looking at the science.
     

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    But if government isn't doing anything we're stuck with the status quo. Right now the status quo seems to work great for corporations and the rich but not so well for the rest of us. The only movement is some nibbling around the edges from presidential decrees, bureaucratic maneuvering, and court decisions.

    The partisan disfunction and endless campaigning leads to rubbish decision making. The fate of vaping depends on what line of propaganda their focus groups tell them might sway a few more votes in 2020 and what will bring in the most corporate donations and lucrative job opportunities. There's no benefit to anybody in looking at the science.
    And if DC does “more” the divide will be even greater than it is now.
     

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    Health Care are two instances they need to work together. Although neither party even seems to be looking at the root cause for the high costs such as the insane amounts Dr.'s charge for good and services ($25 for an aspirin? Really?)

    This part I'm completely in agreement with (border security is just a purely political garbage 'keep-them-occupied and fighting amongst themselves' BS-issue - precisely the 'flag burning' BS-issue all over again). I once worked as a contractor installing computers in VA hospitals. There was one machine there that stood on castors (similar to those IV thingies). I was told that that machine costed them ~$40,000. There was NO WAY IN HELL there was $40,000 worth of electronics in it! R&D costs would likely have been recouped with a few units sold. It's all just flat out gouging due to insurance companies. Very sick sh*t indeed.

    By god: WHETHER OR NOT ANYONE GETS TO PROFIT, PROFIT SHOULD ***NEVER*** DICTATE WHICH HUMAN BEINGS ARE CHOSEN TO LIVE, AND WHICH HUMAN BEINGS ARE CHOSEN TO DIE. NEVER!! NOT ONCE! I swear to god I'm living in crazy country. :blink:
    And here I'm atheist! :shock:
     
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    But if government isn't doing anything we're stuck with the status quo. Right now the status quo seems to work great for corporations and the rich but not so well for the rest of us. The only movement is some nibbling around the edges from presidential decrees, bureaucratic maneuvering, and court decisions.

    The partisan disfunction and endless campaigning leads to rubbish decision making. The fate of vaping depends on what line of propaganda their focus groups tell them might sway a few more votes in 2020 and what will bring in the most corporate donations and lucrative job opportunities. There's no benefit to anybody in looking at the science.
    Nearly every single problem the U.S. has is BECAUSE of something government did. Want things to improve? Start removing some of their "accomplishments".

    And our Founders didn't want the branches to sing kumbaya. They structured it that way so that it would be very difficult for them to pass new laws. They thought government was a necessary evil, but needed to be constrained. That's what the Constitution is; an attempt to tie down the federal government from what they can be involved in. Problem is, they aren't paying attention to it and we aren't making them.

    I don't see vaping named anywhere in the Constitution as something the federal government has purview over. It's none of their business.

    "The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people." (10th Amendment)
     

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