Deeming Regulations have been released!!!!

DPLongo22

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Any time problem is found or invented the first reaction is enact a law and make certain that law is guaranteed to punish a group of people who were never the problem.

I wonder what the National Registry would look like if they reminded themselves of one very simple (and very true) fact before drafting up any bill.

Laws as punitive measures can be quite effective. Not always, but at least the potential exists.

Laws as preventative measures, on the other hand, are about as useful as teats on a bull.

Simplified, and something I spit out way too often, almost in a semi state of Tourette syndrome (and usually yelled at a television screen):

"Laws are PUNITIVE, you useless idiots; NOT PREVENTIVE!!!"

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I wonder what the National Registry would look like if they reminded themselves of one very simple (and very true) fact before drafting up any bill.

Laws as punitive measures can be quite effective. Not always, but at least the potential exists.

Laws as preventative measures, on the other hand, are about as useful as teats on a bull.

Simplified, and something I spit out way too often, almost in a semi state of Tourette syndrome (and usually yelled at a television screen):

"Laws are PUNITIVE, you useless idiots; NOT PREVENTIVE!!!"

:facepalm::facepalm::facepalm::facepalm::facepalm::facepalm::facepalm::facepalm::facepalm::facepalm:...
You can't legislate morality, only punish those that don't fit yours.
 

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K & H posted this article about three weeks ago, but I don't recall it being posted here.


"A wave of enforcement actions soon followed. CPSC issued Notices of Violations to numerous e-liquid companies alleging that e-liquid bottles (specifically glass bottles) without flow restrictors rendered the e-liquid a “misbranded hazardous substance” pursuant to section 2(p) of the Federal Hazardous Substances Act (FHSA). CPSC ordered these companies to initiate a number of “corrective actions,” including to immediately stop sale and distribution, notify all known retailers and consumers, and destroy and dispose of returned units and any remaining inventory."


"It is vital that this be done in a manner that will not unduly burden manufacturers, distributors and retailers, or deprive adult consumers of less risky alternatives to combustible tobacco by forcing existing producers who switch to flow-restricted packaging to seek pre-market authorization from FDA."

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You can't legislate morality, only punish those that don't fit yours.

That's taking things much more deeply, and presumes an authority for what is or isn't moral. I leave that to the (self-appointed) experts and theologians, neither of which are down at my level.

What I was saying is that passing a law doesn't keep something from happening, but passing a law can be used to punish something that has happened. Whether we agree or disagree with the law is irrelevant, as I was speaking purely from the perspective of effectiveness.

If one is writing a law to create something from happening, I believe it should be scrapped (at the idea stage).

Only if that law is punitive (in nature and intent) should the argument of whether it should or shouldn't be passed even take place. In other words, we (society) shouldn't even get to the "morality" stage if a preventive law is being proposed. In fact, in my scenario, no such laws would ever make it to a floor.

Utopian and unrealistic, admittedly, but I'm allowed to fantasize.

The best real world scenario I can relate this to would be something from the Democratic debates last week. Cory Booker presented that he was "hopefully the only candidate" who had seven (six?) gun related crimes in his neighborhood in a past week. Based on the gun-laws in New Jersey, that should have been impossible, if "preventive" laws were effective.

I'm not intending to open a debate on gun laws here. That too is irrelevant to my original statement.
 
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These new bottle tops are :censored:ing me OFF.
The bottles I use aren't even "child proof", much less flow-restricted.

I guess they should give me a punitive three hots, a cot, and a roommate named "Bubba" for a while?

They won't take me alive. :vapor:
 

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The bottles I use aren't even "child proof", much less flow-restricted.

I guess they should give me a punitive three hots, a cot, and a roommate named "Bubba" for a while?

They won't take me alive. :vapor:

Butch & Sundance, in that case. ;)
 

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The WSJ has an article this morning stating San Francisco will ban the sale, distribution, and manufacturing of e cigarettes in a vote this week.
Regular cigarettes will remain on sale.
Article behind paywall.

I would expect California will follow suit sooner rather than later. Just IMHO.

I don't know why people get upset about things like this. There's always a bright side of things.
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Cable paid for by the working folks.

Nah ah. Millionaires & billionaires, bud. Ain't ya seen the memo? ;)

Funny and sad at the same time.

My immediate thought was, "I wish we could select two emoticons."

In other words, and as KD might say, "Prezactly."
 

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