Deeming Regulations have been released!!!!

[puffon]

No appeal:
Statement on the agency’s actions to tackle the epidemic of youth vaping and court ruling on application submission deadlines for certain tobacco products, including e-cigarettes

 

[Baditude]

This article should make you smile.

The Rest of the Story: Tobacco and Alcohol News Analysis and Commentary: New Organization Forms to Confront the Epidemic of Popcorn Lung

 

[Baditude]

San Francisco's Top Economist Confirms Vape Ban Means More Smoking

 

[Zazie]

This article should make you smile.

The Rest of the Story: Tobacco and Alcohol News Analysis and Commentary: New Organization Forms to Confront the Epidemic of Popcorn Lung

The sad thing is, some people will take it seriously.

 

[Eskie]

No appeal:
Statement on the agency’s actions to tackle the epidemic of youth vaping and court ruling on application submission deadlines for certain tobacco products, including e-cigarettes

Given it was the FDA's proposal for ten months rather than the 4 months wanted by the AAP that was granted, there's nothing fir the FDA to appeal. It would be up to the AAP and the other plaintiffs to appeal the ruling. I've read nothing about any intention one way or another on that side.

 

[Katya]

This article should make you smile.

The Rest of the Story: Tobacco and Alcohol News Analysis and Commentary: New Organization Forms to Confront the Epidemic of Popcorn Lung

"We are taking time out from our busy schedule (assembling our professional team of popcorn lung experts and developing our strategy), to update you on the latest epidemiological research into the popcorn lung epidemic. Still no cases but we know they're out there."

 

[ChelsB]

No appeal:
Statement on the agency’s actions to tackle the epidemic of youth vaping and court ruling on application submission deadlines for certain tobacco products, including e-cigarettes

Totally leaves out the benefits of vaping to adults and the fact that vaping is saving lives. This is ridiculous

 

[zoiDman]

Totally leaves out the benefits of vaping to adults and the fact that vaping is saving lives. This is ridiculous

What do you Expect from a tobaccofreekids.org press release?

Of wait... this came from the US Food and Drug Administration.

Never mind.

 

[Tabac man]

What I am saying is that Liberal Arts in the manner of Classical Antiquity used to be the standard. The teaching of it began and it was the baseline, floor, foundation on which higher education was built. If children seemed more keen to practicing trades they would be placed to apprentice in those trades as suited. There was actual involvement by communities, villages, towns and so on.

Then, the Federal government became involved and it became as you say here, tied to achievement. Inner cities and rural areas cannot afford to pay wages of "rock star" level teachers for public funded schools. Private schools are not afforded by those who do require some form of subsidized education for children.

Ergo, the liberal arts got binned in favor of simply given children a smattering of facts without any knowledge, wisdom or capacity to use these facts to any worth while purpose. All that was cared about was getting children to obey authority, cite useless facts to pass "standard" tests.

This pattern given time creates a mindless mass that now happily allows others to think for them.

"Well the FDA says vaping is bad so it must be." (Applies here in the U.S.A)

Do I need to expound upon this one?

"I saw on the news it's the evil Muslims what do suicide bombings and our government wants to protect us from them. I know Mike next door reads the Quran. Mike then must be a suicidal bombing Muslim, I'll report him to the government."

I have seen manuals in use by the C.I.A, an agency of our government, that instruct on how to create bombs which can effectively be used in suicide strikes. I've read histories of The Inquisitions, where Christians were heard to have said "burn the whole village down because the one witch here cannot be found, God will sort his own." My point is it isn't all Muslims that do evil, nor do all those doing evil use suicide bombs.

"The preacher in my church says God hates homosexual people. He says it says in the Bible. I'm not sure how to read the Bible or where to find that, or how to think about the Bible. I'll take my preacher's word for it because he knows all about the Bible."

The one admonishment that nears being anywhere close to condemning homosexuality, is instead condemning pedophilia. There's a verse stating roughly "men shall not lay with boys". There is no real condemning of homosexuality in the Christian Bible. Yes, I've looked. My point being authorities might not know, or might knowingly lie to you. And it isn't only religious leaders that I count as authorities.

And further clarity. I am not attacking any one religion, philosophy here. I am also not being abusive of homosexual people. That would be rather hypocritical and immature of me, a bisexual man to do. I'm also not attacking straight people, white, black, red, yellow. I am though attacking the ideology what creates labels amongst us and hate. Sometimes that comes from supposed authority.

Further then, our hate as the collective society fuels this fouled up education doled out. How so? Well, why should the wealthy (Capital) desire any better than mindless "employees" to do the bidding? Why would Capital want for people to freely understand technology exists now to create your own mini-factories to create goods? Capital does not want competition from every Joe on the street able to spend $300 - $400 to set up a 3D printer that can make clock gears from plastic for example.

So give us labels, divide us and keep us in the dark. Don't let us have the capacity to think, to create, to do. Yes, I understand there are exceptional children who rise further. Someday I might pause and think of myself as one. Until then though, I look at what is and have to see it as part of the rotten core.

I see you have lived in the UK.

 

[stols001]

I can't even keep up with the rhetoric anymore and that's saying something.

When doctors at work ask me about vaping now, I just SIGH and say, "Please go read some international research on ecigarettes and the "harm" they cause and start considering how politics affects "facts."

Some of them do it. NONE of us, certainly not ME are gonna tell a teen it's okay but I do say it's better than smoking and the family says REEEELLY? and goes on about something like popcorn lung and I just want to die. And then I patiently explain for a while and it does NO good.

Anna

 

[englishmick]

No appeal:
Statement on the agency’s actions to tackle the epidemic of youth vaping and court ruling on application submission deadlines for certain tobacco products, including e-cigarettes

Never seen this one before. Wonder what it refers to.

"The FDA also continues to investigate counterfeit e-cigarette products"

 

[mikepetro]

The sad thing is, some people will take it seriously.

Yep, a new in-law type relative quit vaping because of popcorn lung. Thankfully he didnt go back to stinkies.

 

[mikepetro]

"We are taking time out from our busy schedule (assembling our professional team of popcorn lung experts and developing our strategy), to update you on the latest epidemiological research into the popcorn lung epidemic. Still no cases but we know they're out there."

 

[mikepetro]

Totally leaves out the benefits of vaping to adults and the fact that vaping is saving lives. This is ridiculous

It was mentioned in passing......

"While certain ENDS products may hold some promise in helping addicted adult smokers transition away from combustible tobacco to a potentially less harmful form of nicotine delivery, these products – like all tobacco products – pose risk, and should not be used by kids."

 

[mikepetro]

Never seen this one before. Wonder what it refers to.

"The FDA also continues to investigate counterfeit e-cigarette products"

I assumed they were referring to "clones", where traceability to origin is questionable. Might be way off base though.

 

[stols001]

I thought clones too. Probably. Could mean anything. Maybe they want to control All The Ecigs In the World, and Tax the ones the approve of...

Anna

 

[Rossum]

I assumed they were referring to "clones", where traceability to origin is questionable. Might be way off base though.

Betcha their main concern is fake Juul pods.

 

[ENAUD]

I can't even keep up with the rhetoric anymore and that's saying something.

When doctors at work ask me about vaping now, I just SIGH and say, "Please go read some international research on ecigarettes and the "harm" they cause and start considering how politics affects "facts."

Some of them do it. NONE of us, certainly not ME are gonna tell a teen it's okay but I do say it's better than smoking and the family says REEEELLY? and goes on about something like popcorn lung and I just want to die. And then I patiently explain for a while and it does NO good.

Anna

A few years back I started just telling folks to mind their own business, and I don't want to talk about it to someone who is misinformed. It seems to be a pretty good conversation ender.

 

[Kent C]

Best I could find on the FDA site:

Section 900 of the Federal Food, Drug, and Cosmetic Act

Counterfeit tobacco product. The term 'counterfeit tobacco product' means a tobacco product (or the container or labeling of such a product) that, without authorization, bears the trademark, trade name, or other identifying mark, imprint, or device, or any likeness thereof, of a tobacco product listed in a registration under section 905(i)(1).

 

[Katya]

What? You don't like our protectors trying to protect us? They've been so busy looking for those popcorn lungs that they completely missed this this one:

Johnson & Johnson ran 'cunning' scheme to market opioids, attorney says

Oklahoma's multibillion-dollar case against Johnson & Johnson rests in hands of judge

Lawyers for the state referred to the company as a “kingpin” and “cartel” that fueled the crisis through deceptive marketing to doctors by claiming opioids were “safe and effective for every day pain.”

“This company went out and sponsored lies,” said attorney Brad Beckworth during closing arguments for the state.

Johson&Johnson, the maker of Nicorette and a great supporter of any and every anti-vaping cause and "research," including our friend Stanton Glantz's... (the Truth Initiative Distinguished Professor of Tobacco Control ).

My favorite headline:

Johnson & Johnson faces multibillion opioids lawsuit that could upend big pharma