As I see it, they are banning flavored nicotine e-liquids because people are dying from legal THC vapes bought from licensed dispensaries.
Somebody please pinch me.
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As I see it, they are banning flavored nicotine e-liquids because people are dying from legal THC vapes bought from licensed dispensaries.
Somebody please pinch me.
I’d be embarrassed to make statements like those. But I guess when all you care about is power, embarrassment is not a consideration.
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One would think that people would realize that after about 12 years of vaping nic with flavors that there were no lung deaths, and only a few lung problems.
Googled "lung deaths vaping" with a custom time of Jan. 1, 2010 to Aug. 2018. Found this (despite all the hoopla regarding diacetyl):
Hypersensitivity Pneumonitis and Acute Respiratory Distress Syndrome From E-Cigarette Use
June 2018
After the results of a workup for an infectious etiology came back negative, the patient was diagnosed with hypersensitivity pneumonitis and intravenous methylprednisolone therapy was initiated. After this the patient rapidly improved, was weaned off vasopressor support, and was extubated. This is the first reported case of hypersensitivity pneumonitis and acute respiratory distress syndrome as a risk of e-cigarette use in an adolescent, and it should prompt pediatricians to discuss the potential harms of vaping with their patients.
--- Although it didn't specify, this may have been the first case involving Juul/THC - just speculation based on experience of know how certain things are reported (or not reported).
Yeah!
OK, help me everyone. You know those wacky packets we see on the news reports about this vaping thing? They're pods in stores with weird names, but retail, not street. Maybe synthetic THC or other stuff, IDK what the hell they are because I don't vape them. And I don't [just] mean anything that says "Dank" on it.
But aren't they flavored?
Is that what's going on?
That was my very first reaction when this all started. Vaping has been around more than 10 years and all of a sudden people are keeling over?
And unless I've missed it, no one else has pointed it out. - meaning no one in the media or the "experts" they have on. We here know it well.
Right, Also, please note that: "Her past medical history was significant for mild intermittent exertional asthma, with only rare use of inhaled albuterol. Recently the patient had a reaction (hives and lip swelling) to a Brazil nut that resolved with diphenhydramine."
So there's that.
Peanut butter is an excellent source of cheap protein for most, but may kill some. Just saying.
Because it doesn't agree with their preconceived narrative.
What gets me is the "health experts" that should have a 10 year success history on this...are the ones suggesting the "ban flavors" approach.
And when I think about it, at my last check-in with my PA/Doc...he had been supportive of vaping overall for me to stay off the smokes, but he reacted in a slightly different way this last time, saying "We don't know crap about vaping..." in a rather derogatory manner.
All this stuff has FUD and conspiracy written all over it.
And when I think about it, at my last check-in with my PA/Doc...he had been supportive of vaping overall for me to stay off the smokes, but he reacted in a slightly different way this last time, saying "We don't know crap about vaping..." in a rather derogatory manner.
All this stuff has FUD and conspiracy written all over it.
I'm in Denver and do vape THC and as far as I know there hasn't been one illness associated with legally purchased THC carts in Denver. I've also never seen a flavored vape product in the store and I go to them pretty frequently.
I just took a business trip to Oregon and grabbed some edibles and a cart when we got there. The cart was like Raspberry flavored or something and I thought it was really weird. I vaped it for a couple days but I had no problem tossing it damn near full two days later when we left.
I know that doesn't really answer all of your questions but I can confirm that at least one state has flavored THC carts.
Plus they know that hardly any of the people hearing their words will notice the logical inconsistencies, no matter how outrageous they are. They don't have to try very hard.
I guess we all have a lot on our minds and we don't have time to burden our brains with every topic that crosses our path. People here are motivated to study this issue. I wish I was sure I would have put in enough effort to see through this nonsense if I had no personal interest in vaping, maybe I would have.
Thanks, that helps. 
I was also thinking about other stuff that may or may not be THC. They keep showing pics here, and IDK what they are. Sold at gas stations and whatever. I'll have to pay more attention. Maybe I can find an article or something.
I was also thinking about other stuff that may or may not be THC. They keep showing pics here, and IDK what they are. Sold at gas stations and whatever. I'll have to pay more attention. Maybe I can find an article or something.
Seems to make Perfect Sense to Me.
You Don't want e-Cigarettes Sold in your State. But as Governor, you Don't have the Power to remove them.
So you have your Department of Health to declare an Emergency.
That's Easy. Because the FDA and The CDC have allowed e-Cigarettes Twist in the Wind by not making any Definitive Statements. But have systematically feed the Media (and Committee Hearings) enough Wishy-Washy statements about "Vapers" to keep the FUD Fest in the Media going at Full Tilt.
Now you have Emergency Power. So you Ban Flavored e-Liquids.
You Don't Ban everything. Because that would put you in an Uphill Battle when the Injunction Motion is asked for. And it would hurt you down the Line in Federal Court if you have to go there.
But a Flavor Ban is enough to Weed out most of Who you want Weeded Out.
All seems Pretty Effective. And the Only people who get Hosed are a bunch of 2nd Class Citizens. ie: "Vapers".
This is interesting. The reporter (Marlee Ginter)+staff got the basic facts correct. The whole thing is in the vein of "vilify e-cigs" though, and saving the kiddies from nic addiction. And that in and of itself isn't all bad, if you don't throw the quit-smoking-vapers under the bus while you do it. I think the reporter did a fair and neutral job given what she has to work with. It's clear that the kids are getting "educated" about how "dangerous" vaping is from someone somewhere.
There's a definite anti-nic anti-fun vibe to all of this, including Oregon's ban. It's coming from all directions and everyone. I think a lot of this is a narrative that gets picked up and it just keeps rolling. Kind of a collective-consciousness thing. And let's face it, nicotine has been a vilified substance in general for decades. Meanwhile the problems, as she said, are mostly if not 100% on the THC side.
I still think this is all social-cost-of-nic/smoking related. But I have to account for BT's involvement too.
Damn my head hurts from all this.
Do all these people think that BT will do better? Or that leaving all of us with BT's products will be better for society?
Anyway, here's the article with video (this video was recorded before the MI death was announced, but the article states one happened):
First vaping illness death confirmed in Michigan
There's a definite anti-nic anti-fun vibe to all of this, including Oregon's ban. It's coming from all directions and everyone. I think a lot of this is a narrative that gets picked up and it just keeps rolling. Kind of a collective-consciousness thing. And let's face it, nicotine has been a vilified substance in general for decades. Meanwhile the problems, as she said, are mostly if not 100% on the THC side.
I still think this is all social-cost-of-nic/smoking related. But I have to account for BT's involvement too.
Damn my head hurts from all this.
Do all these people think that BT will do better? Or that leaving all of us with BT's products will be better for society?
Anyway, here's the article with video (this video was recorded before the MI death was announced, but the article states one happened):
First vaping illness death confirmed in Michigan
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@Kent C the first reported case. Not many drs even knew what an ecig was years ago let alone asked their patients if they vaped. How much 'sickness and illness' from ecig use before will never be known. Are we to presume nil... There are already cases reported by people on this forum... I don't agree with what is happening in the US but there are many ways to view evidence and 'big pictures'.
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Vaping has to always be viewed in context of how it compares to smoking cigarettes. Not to maintain this context is not only a disservice to vapers, but also wrongheaded and sad.
'We conclude that current knowledge of these effects is insufficient to determine whether the respiratory health effects of e-cigarette are less than those of combustible tobacco products'.
'We reiterate that, to date, no long term vaping toxicological/safety studies have been done in humans; without these data, saying with certainty that e-cigarettes are safer than combustible cigarettes is impossible'.
BMJ 2019;366:l5275
I was always aware of this risk, however, ECF has continued to allow downplay of virtually any information or opinion that might in anyway support this. There are also members here who have a financial interest in vaping products. So once again it comes down to the $$$ no matter which way it goes.
'We reiterate that, to date, no long term vaping toxicological/safety studies have been done in humans; without these data, saying with certainty that e-cigarettes are safer than combustible cigarettes is impossible'.
BMJ 2019;366:l5275
I was always aware of this risk, however, ECF has continued to allow downplay of virtually any information or opinion that might in anyway support this. There are also members here who have a financial interest in vaping products. So once again it comes down to the $$$ no matter which way it goes.
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What we do know is our increased breathing capacity, improved sense of taste and smell, and whiter teeth are all positive signs.
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Many people smoke tobacco and have no issue with their health and do not die from associated disease. However, it does increase their chances doesn't it?
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