Deeming Regulations have been released!!!!
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It is not my impression that most ECF members are claiming ecigs are completely harmless at ALL. I have the figure 95% safer AS FAR AS WE KNOW and also "We will not KNOW for sure until longitudinal studies are done." Now, it's looking like longitudinal studies will need to be done on outlaws or Juuls partakers ONLY.
Also, almost every new poster claiming a vape issue has been pointed to their DOCTOR.
It is ridiculous to claim that ECF states "vaping is completely safe.:" Maybe a few MEMBERS do but certainly not EVERYONE.
Also, the media could most certainly RESEARCH how vaping has been safe up until the THC carts, but the mainstream media does not really do that anymore, it requires work. They take the press releases sent to them, change a few words, add a sensational kid, or story, and BOOM, there it is.
The idea of actually doing work and taking TIME to write an article kind of went out with the dodo bird.
I wish we could find one (the bird) because that's about as likely as vaping NOT being despoiled, gutted, and possibly wiped out of existence.
So it is, so it shall be. The vape stories are just like, future justification.
I would like more discussion of the REAL risks, simply because it might make one idiot less likely to buy a THC THC THC THC cartridge (sorry can't say it enough) off the black market.
I mean....
But no that will not happen.
I GUESS it's easier to ban vaping if the public thinks it is actively DANGEROUS not just distasteful rather than the public just being mildly misinformed but not that interested? IDK.
I do know vaping saved me for a life of COPD. I'm in and I'm still going to buy ONE more round of nic, because I am just so young (compared to a lot of you) and it really is starting to annoy me greatly but I have to do it.
Anna
Also, almost every new poster claiming a vape issue has been pointed to their DOCTOR.
It is ridiculous to claim that ECF states "vaping is completely safe.:" Maybe a few MEMBERS do but certainly not EVERYONE.
Also, the media could most certainly RESEARCH how vaping has been safe up until the THC carts, but the mainstream media does not really do that anymore, it requires work. They take the press releases sent to them, change a few words, add a sensational kid, or story, and BOOM, there it is.
The idea of actually doing work and taking TIME to write an article kind of went out with the dodo bird.
I wish we could find one (the bird) because that's about as likely as vaping NOT being despoiled, gutted, and possibly wiped out of existence.
So it is, so it shall be. The vape stories are just like, future justification.
I would like more discussion of the REAL risks, simply because it might make one idiot less likely to buy a THC THC THC THC cartridge (sorry can't say it enough) off the black market.
I mean....
But no that will not happen.
I GUESS it's easier to ban vaping if the public thinks it is actively DANGEROUS not just distasteful rather than the public just being mildly misinformed but not that interested? IDK.
I do know vaping saved me for a life of COPD. I'm in and I'm still going to buy ONE more round of nic, because I am just so young (compared to a lot of you) and it really is starting to annoy me greatly but I have to do it.
Anna
The loosening of emission regulations (that I have seen) are not necessarily relaxing current standards but instead are loosening future standards that tend to be unattainable, unrealistic, or economically devastating. Cafe standards for one example. Those were ridiculous. Made everyone feel good to say we want mpg to double or triple but making it happen is another story. Perhaps the best thing we did was to increase NG consumption which has significantly less emissions. I'd still like to see more nuke.
NG is way up as there’s lots of it and it’s very competitive against coal. Wind continues to grow but selling nukes gets harder and harder with cheaper options that are even carbon neutral.
Auto markets were already on track and didn’t request the extension, if anything it messed with their projected production cycle.
There is some current changes meant to help out the coal industry but the fact is it’s not regulation killing it off it’s the current economics that’s nailing the industry.
NG is very competitive. Yes, putting the squeeze on coal. I'm still interested in the future of NG-operated semi trucks. We were doing that back in the 90's on an experimental basis. I'd of thought we would be further down that road by now. Storage is always an issue.
We have a number of NG city buses on the road now in NY, as well as all electric. But that's nowhere near the mileage needed for a semi, and returns to the bus depots simplifies distribution.
I will say the possibility of electric semis seems pretty cool. Still left with the power distribution issue and the length of time of charging. But the torque provided is amazing.
Well, I'm afraid I'm guilty. I have a tertiary education and I find myself biased to the things I already believe or prefer. I have to make a concerted effort to listen to contrary opinions. It doesn't come naturally. But in my defense I can usually find a common denominator among opposing views. But I ain't budging on this vape ban, lol.
Why can't the idea of solar powered ships be used with semis? Yes, the solar panels double as "sails" but still.....Or how about some sort of system of wind turbines (shaped like domes) mounted atop the semi that can power the batteries? I have no education in engineering, just thinking...
Having lived in Philly in the late 1960s and early 1970s, I'll attest to the fact that it was a BIG problem then. But we've made huge strides cleaning up the air over the last 50 years.
One reason we "still have issues" is that the EPA et al keep raising the bar for what's acceptable. If you actually want any manufacturing at all, at some point you have to say, "OK, that's good enough."
It's kinda the same way with vaping. Is it perfectly safe? No, I'm sure it's not. But compared to the alternative we had before -- smoking -- I'm confident it's a dramatic improvement, and for me at least, that's good enough.
We seem to have a short attention span. Not so long ago oil prices dropped. Multitude of reasons, including a global economic slowdown leading to oversupply of oil, and the growth of fracking. So the move to smaller more economic vehicles rapidly reversed and people started buying big trucks and SUV's again. But those new big vehicles are likely to last longer than the downswing in oil prices that led to them being bought. And governments change regulations for various reasons that aren't always related to reality. Bring back the coal jobs, yeah right.
Peak oil was pushed back a few years by recent tech developments but it didn't go away. We should be planning for the future, but neither people nor governments are very good at that. Natural gas seems like a perfect complement to renewables, but by the time we really need it for that the NG will probably be gone. Nukes would be great and there are safe ways of doing it now but the economics don't really work, at least for short term profit. And it would take decades to move to nuclear. Only governments have the resources to do something that long term, and that isn't going to happen.
True. I was listening to an interview on radio with coal, other energy experts and economists. I think it's sad that people who have worked in coal, generation after generation, are feeling lost. It's not just an income it's a lifestyle to them. With proper training, information and support I feel these communities can be encouraged to move forward with renewed purpose and create new generations of proud energy workers. I am disappointed that we've failed them (as well as other communities) and it's no surprise they have adopted Trump as their new President. Problem is there's not a damn thing he can do about it. Unless he wants to promise them a new and different future in the energy sector. I don't see that happening anytime soon unfortunately.
It's hard to tell someone in their 40's or 50's that their livelihood is gone and they have to learn some other job all over. Assuming the jobs even exist. But it is a reality. The jobs are not coming back. The real issue is what new jobs can you create in those areas that will employ a retrained population, and who's going to pay for it. I don't see anyone who has good answers for those problems, but it's that or a lot of unemployed people forced below the poverty line. That's exactly the population that will support any politician who tells them he can save their industry when even the politicians know it's a cruel lie.
So true and so sad. Instead of maturing as a society we seem to have regressed to infantile behavior demanding instant gratification with everything. Money has become more important than the future of our children. Our government, as well as others, has narcissistic/sociopathic tendencies. If our ancestors lacked patience with no vision for the future there would be no such things in this world as the Great Pyramids, the Great Wall of China, et al. Heck, someone in medieval Japan took the time to carve in a wall, "Don't build beyond this Wall." That message was found on a rock wall after the Fukushima earthquake and tsunami disaster. They not only built houses beyond that warning point but they built a nuclear reactor for crissakes.
I'm thoroughly enjoying the conversations with all of you interesting and engaging individuals. Since I don't have any real solutions myself I'll step back. I'd love to hear more from all of you (us) and maybe start more of a think tank rather than a stink tank
. I'm just being cheeky but I'm serious about that. We all care, we all are thinkers. Maybe we can throw some ideas around and come up with some solutions. Besides, I have to mow the lawn. Later.....
Yeah, but if the deceased died of, say, lung cancer, they died of a smoking related disease. Now, some people who have never smoked in their lives still die of lung cancer. Nevertheless, they died of a smoking related disease. If they ever vaped, they automatically died of a vaping related disease.
Not really. There are different types of lung cancer. Some are smoking related, and some not. You can classify deaths based upon the tumor type they had, not just lumping them in all together. However, other illnesses like heart attack and stroke are not distinguishable other than by how many known risk factors the person had which contributed to the illness.
As to vaping and vaping related disease, as we've now seen, it depends on what's being vaped, not the vape hardware itself. As to how that gets recorded in mortality reports depends on who's writing those causes of death, and how they wish to list it on a death certificate, who are either the treating physician or medical examiner.
Both my grandfathers and their fathers were coal miners so I feel for those guys. You're right, it's more than a job.
Same here, Shamokin PA, and most of my male ancestors died from the coal mines in one way or another. The backs and lungs of immigrants helped fuel the American Industrial Revolution.
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