Deeming Regulations have been released!!!!

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This story is somewhat hopeful to vapers but it is also proof that there is a bipartisan effort to stop vaping. According to this story it sounds as if Trump is trying to have a balance between vapers and the "WE HAVE TO DO SOMETHING" crowd. This is not just a Trump thing. It is a stupid politicians from both parties thing.
It's an extremely complex issue. It's much more than a Trump or bipartisan political thing. There are a lot of hands in the pie with this issue.

The vaping community wants reasonable regulation to ensure its safe and to allow for innovation of future technology. They see vaping purely as "harm reduction" that is 95% safer than smoking and twice as effective to stop smoking as pharmaceutical nicotine gum or patches. Flavors are considered essential to vapers because it differentiates vaping from smoking. Forcing a smoker / want-to-be vaper to vape a tobacco flavor is like asking an alcoholic to come to an AA meeting in a bar.

The vaping industry was created by adult consumers for adult consumers. Vape shops have always used photo ID age verification.

The anti-smoking and anti-vaping community hate vaping because it "looks like smoking". They have an unreasonable fear of nicotine and fear that youth who vape are setting themselves up for a generation of lifelong addiction.

Big Tobacco and Big Pharma have huge stakes into the future of vaping, as it has an indirect effect on their future profits.

Juul, Vuse, Blu (Big Tobacco) marketed to the youth and ensured their products were available to youth who had access to businesses with poor age verification processes. Yet the entire vaping industry is blamed for these bad actors when youth abuse their products.

Big Pharma sponsors "bad science" studies that cherry pick any negativity they can find about vaping and suggest click-bait headlines for news and social media stories.

Politicians have multiple reasons to negatively effect vaping. Start out with the tobacco Master Settlement Agreement. The more money Big Tobacco makes, the more money that the States get; the less money that BT makes, the less money the States get. The sale of tobacco has steadily dropped since vaping became available 10 years ago. Therefore, vaping has had a negative effect on tobacco and government profits and is therefore declared the enemy.

We've seen so-called US medical experts claim that the respected UK Medical Association is a bogus medical community after it declared vaping to be safer than smoking, because that doesn't fit into their narrative. There are actually physicians saying smoking is safer than vaping. "We don't know what chemicals are in e-cigarettes" is being shouted out to the media, yet all of the main ingredients in e-liquid (propylene glycol and vegetable glycerin) has been in use (inhaled) by the medical community for decades. Many so-called experts say vapers haven't really quit smoking, its all bad if its inhaled into the lungs. They have no concept of "harm reduction".

Then there are policy makers trying to regulate a product that they don't understand the science or the social implications of the products. Parents are demanding that the goverment "do something" because their kids are vaping in the school restroom. They mistakenly believe they are vaping because of sweet flavors when in reality they are "Juuling" for the head rush. Thus the intended ban on flavors. Vapers and the industry say flavors are essential and a flavor ban will put most vape shops out of business, force some vapers to return back to smoking, or create a black market for flavored vapes.

I'm an admitted conspiracy theorist, and believe there are those in the FDA and CDC who are in collusion with Big Tobacco and Big Pharma and have covert plans to keep the vape industry down. I see a huge conflict of interest when directors for the CDC and the Surgeon General all own stock in tobacco.

The general public and mass media have little true knowledge of vaping and how it could be the greatest godsend for public health in a century.

Frankly, I'm shocked that vaping is still in existance after the clusterfock of the black market THC crisis and the hysteria caused by the way the media and CDC handled the situation. So much misinformation it was criminal.

Add to these factors that our First Lady has her own campaign to ban vaping. It's her "war on drugs" to "save the kids".

Despite the scientific proof of their relative safety and proven effectiveness of e-cigarettes, the odds have been stacked against us from the beginning.
 
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This story is somewhat hopeful to vapers but it is also proof that there is a bipartisan effort to stop vaping. According to this story it sounds as if Trump is trying to have a balance between vapers and the "WE HAVE TO DO SOMETHING" crowd. This is not just a Trump thing. It is a stupid politicians from both parties thing.

Yeah... and the Way I read it, the Only thing that has Held Back certain Decimation was a 165K Petition, constant Blinking Lights on the WH Switchboard, and a Bunch of People carrying signs in an Ellipse.
 

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It's an extremely complex issue. It's much more than a Trump or bipartisan political thing. There are a lot of hands in the pie.

The vaping community wants reasonable regulation to ensure its safe and to allow for reasonable innovation of future technology. They see vaping purely as "harm reduction" that is 95% safer than smoking.

The anti-smoking and anti-vaping community hate vaping because it "looks like smoking". They have an unreasonable fear of nicotine and fear that youth who vape are setting themselves up for lifelong addiction.

Big Tobacco and Big Pharma have huge stakes into the future of vaping, as it has an indirect effect on their future profits.

Juul, Vuse, Blu (Big Tobacco) market to the youth and ensure their products are available in youth accessable businesses with poor age verification processes. Yet the entire vaping industry is blamed for these bad actors when youth abuse them.

Big Pharma sponsors "bad science" studies that cherry pick any negativity they can find about vaping and suggest headlines for news and social media stories.

Politicians have multiple reasons to negatively effect vaping. Start out with the tobacco Master Settlement Agreement. The more money Big Tobacco makes, the more money that the States get; the less money that BT makes, the less money the States get. The sale of tobacco has steadily dropped since vaping became available 10 years ago.

We've seen so-called US medical experts claim that the respected UK Medical Association is a bogus medical community after it declared vaping to be safer than smoking. There are actually physicians saying smoking is safer than vaping. "We don't know what chemicals are in e-cigarettes" is being shouted out to the media, yet all of the ingredients in e-liquid has been in use by the medical community for decades.

Then there are policy makers trying to regulate a product that they don't understand the science or social implications of the product. Parents are demanding that the goverment "do something" because their kids are vaping in the school restroom. They mistakenly believe they are vaping because of sweet flavors when in reality they are "Juuling" for the head rush. Thus the intended ban on flavors. Vapers and the industry say flavors are essential and a flavor ban will put most vape shops out of business, force some vapers to return back to smoking, or create a black market for flavors.

I'm an admitted conspiracy theorist, and believe there are those in the FDA and CDC who are in collusion with Big Tobacco and Big Pharma and have covert plans to keep the vape industry down. I see a huge conflict of interest when directors for the CDC and the Surgeon General all own stock in tobacco.

The general public and mass media have little true knowledge of vaping and how it could be the greatest godsend for public health in a century.

Frankly, I'm shocked that vaping is still in existance after the clusterfock of the black market THC crisis and the hysteria caused by the way the media and CDC handled the situation.

Yours is the best summation of the key points I have read. I wish you would send this as a message to the President and read it to the White House switchboard too! This is too good not to be shared with the powers that be. Thanks for this!
 

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Politicians have multiple reasons to negatively effect vaping. Start out with the tobacco Master Settlement Agreement. The more money Big Tobacco makes, the more money that the States get; the less money that BT makes, the less money the States get. The sale of tobacco has steadily dropped since vaping became available 10 years ago.
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Just to clarify, as I understand it, the MSA payments aren't directly linked to BT revenue, but to volume of cigarette sales --- meaning, if there is a decline in sales, BT has the option to raise the base price a bit to maintain revenue, but the States will still get less MSA money due to fewer cigarettes sold. So States are in a tougher position than BT in the face of declining sales.
 

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This is a very telling quote about the behind the scenes how do we proceed issue
““It’s very important to separate the broader issue of vaping, which is inhaling … THC, CBD or a nicotine product, from e-cigarettes, which is what we can and do regulate,” Azar said during an event Wednesday morning. ”

Even Azar isn’t clear on what needs to be addressed and how to do it. If he’s confused, and Zeller noncommittal or evasive, depending on your perspective, before Congress you can assume there’s a lot of second, third, and fourth guessing, all while waiting on a tweet on what to do next.
 

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Yours is the best summation of the key points I have read. I wish you would send this as a message to the President and read it to the White House switchboard too! This is too good not to be shared with the powers that be. Thanks for this!
I call the White House daily. I participated in Ohio's Vape Rally when our governor proposed his own flavor ban, and made sure that I was interviewed on TV. I plaster my Face Book page with vape news on a daily basis. I recently joined Twitter...still trying to figure out how it works.

Everyone is free to borrow what I wrote above.

What have YOU all done to save vaping and flavors?
 
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Thank you! I'll do that!
Keep in mind it is best to keep your comments brief and to the point.

WHITE HOUSE: Comment line 202-456-1111 | Switch board 202-456-1414 (the switch board is the best approach as it will put you on hold and give you a chance to speak)

If you comment by email to President Trump, comments are limited to only so many words and then you are cut off. Same way with Twitter @theRealDonaldTrump. Contact the White House | The White House

And you risk being labeled as a Bot.

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Keep in mind it is best to keep your comments brief and to the point.

If you comment by email to President Trump, comments are limited to only so many words and then you are cut off. Same way with Twitter @theRealDonaldTrump.

And you risk being called a Bot.

Got it. Thank you!
 

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What have YOU all done to save vaping and flavors?

I called the White House again, wrote to my Senators urging them to keep vape mail legal and reject S.1253 (that's going to go very well considering that Feinstein sponsored the bill :facepalm: ), and I donate monthly to CASAA.
 

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I'm not on FB or Twitter, but honestly, I may join soon. :-x
I find Face Book to be well worthwhile. When you "like" a news story, its algorhythm software techology finds similar posts for your news feed. My newsfeed gives me articles on vape related news stories as soon as they are posted. I find that very useful, but I understand some folks are untrusting of such practices.

I just joined Twitter a couple of weeks ago, and I'm still trying to figure out how it works. But I joined it because that is the only social media Trump uses. I also found out that all the girl basketball players that I follow as a hobby also post on Twitter, so that has been a plus for me.
 

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It's an extremely complex issue. It's much more than a Trump or bipartisan political thing. There are a lot of hands in the pie with this issue.

The vaping community wants reasonable regulation to ensure its safe and to allow for innovation of future technology. They see vaping purely as "harm reduction" that is 95% safer than smoking and twice as effective to stop smoking as pharmaceutical nicotine gum or patches. Flavors are considered essential to vapers because it differentiates vaping from smoking. Forcing a smoker / want-to-be vaper to vape a tobacco flavor is like asking an alcoholic to come to an AA meeting in a bar.

The vaping industry was created by adult consumers for adult consumers. Vape shops have always used photo ID age verification.

The anti-smoking and anti-vaping community hate vaping because it "looks like smoking". They have an unreasonable fear of nicotine and fear that youth who vape are setting themselves up for a generation of lifelong addiction.

Big Tobacco and Big Pharma have huge stakes into the future of vaping, as it has an indirect effect on their future profits.

Juul, Vuse, Blu (Big Tobacco) marketed to the youth and ensured their products were available to youth who had access to businesses with poor age verification processes. Yet the entire vaping industry is blamed for these bad actors when youth abuse their products.

Big Pharma sponsors "bad science" studies that cherry pick any negativity they can find about vaping and suggest headlines for news and social media stories.

Politicians have multiple reasons to negatively effect vaping. Start out with the tobacco Master Settlement Agreement. The more money Big Tobacco makes, the more money that the States get; the less money that BT makes, the less money the States get. The sale of tobacco has steadily dropped since vaping became available 10 years ago. Therefore, vaping has had a negative effect on tobacco and government profits and is therefore declared the enemy.

We've seen so-called US medical experts claim that the respected UK Medical Association is a bogus medical community after it declared vaping to be safer than smoking, because that doesn't fit into their narrative. There are actually physicians saying smoking is safer than vaping. "We don't know what chemicals are in e-cigarettes" is being shouted out to the media, yet all of the main ingredients in e-liquid has been in use by the medical community for decades. Many say vapers haven't quit smoking, its all bad if its inhaled into the lungs. They have no concept of "harm reduction".

Then there are policy makers trying to regulate a product that they don't understand the science or the social implications of the products. Parents are demanding that the goverment "do something" because their kids are vaping in the school restroom. They mistakenly believe they are vaping because of sweet flavors when in reality they are "Juuling" for the head rush. Thus the intended ban on flavors. Vapers and the industry say flavors are essential and a flavor ban will put most vape shops out of business, force some vapers to return back to smoking, or create a black market for flavored vapes.

I'm an admitted conspiracy theorist, and believe there are those in the FDA and CDC who are in collusion with Big Tobacco and Big Pharma and have covert plans to keep the vape industry down. I see a huge conflict of interest when directors for the CDC and the Surgeon General all own stock in tobacco.

The general public and mass media have little true knowledge of vaping and how it could be the greatest godsend for public health in a century.

Frankly, I'm shocked that vaping is still in existance after the clusterfock of the black market THC crisis and the hysteria caused by the way the media and CDC handled the situation. So much misinformation it was criminal.

Add to the facts that our First Lady has her own campaign to ban vaping. It's her "war on drugs" to "save the kids".

Despite the scientific proof and proven effectiveness of e-cigarettes, the odds have been stacked against us from the beginning.
THANK YOU! That is what I meant to say and I couldn't have said it better. You da man Baditude!
 

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FB I absolutely refuse, but I have bothered to use my Twitter account set up a long, long time ago and never made a single tweet before this stuff.

I think my kids created an FB account for me years ago, but I never used it... I'm the only one in my family without it. But I never bothered with Twitter. :lol:
 

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I find Face Book to be well worthwhile. When you "like" a news story, its algorhythm software techology finds similar posts for your news feed. My newsfeed gives me articles on vape related news stories as soon as they are posted. I find that very useful, but I understand some folks are untrusting of such practices.

I just joined Twitter a couple of weeks ago, and I'm still trying to figure out how it works. But I joined it because that is the only social media Trump uses. I also found out that all the girl basketball players that I follow as a hobby also post on Twitter, so that has been a plus for me.
Trump has a few social media outlets. Twitter of course but I believe Instagram and one other. I don't use any of it so I have no clue about it. Don't think anyone is interested what I had for breakfast or when I took my last dump. But that's just me.
 

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