I like it! Gives us something to do.
Deeming Regulations have been released!!!!
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It is probably the only way I will ever see them. I have "meant" to visit these sites for a long time, now I have a long time to visit them. "Loss can be a gain".
Why is no one talking about THIS?
French study finds anti-malarial and antibiotic combo could reduce COVID-19 duration – TechCrunch
These are FDA drugs and no they don't cure everyone but they certainly appear to work. Trump briefly announced it on morning and I was like, "FINALLY! The insanity can stop!" It took less than an hour for the media to sabotage it though, the CDC WANTS this, probably in its efforts to well, I will stick to facts.
This virus, had it not been direly named a "CORONA" virus would have been known as a really bad virus season where many elderly died . Sometimes, I think medicine has come too far. I guess we needed a good pandemic to tank our recovering economy.
BTW, I would focus on treatment and ASK your politicians if I were you. WE ARE ALL going to get this virus, I am fairly certain. I work in a HUGE Federally qualified healthcare center and going based on symptoms I may have already had it. But mark my words, everyone will get it.
Yes, not overwhelming the hospitals is a worthy goal I guess. But, it's also futile, and with quarantining kind of a mess. There are not enough "FDA authorized", I believe the Mayo clinic got fed up and made one for themselves, tests to accurately test EVERYONE. No one knows the numbers, no one knows the death toll either.
We are doing telemedicine based on symptoms along with a bunch of other stuff. The only stress I an TRULY having and I see 20-30 well child babies who have to come in with parents daily, is the ever changing Federal Crap we have to try and keep up with daily,. I have never received more CDC/COVID healthcare emails in my life.
What you need to worry about is not getting sick, if you are reasonably healthy, but not freaking out and filling your garage with TP, focus on handwashing. You are gonna get this virus though. We are all going to die someday: the toilet paper won't save you, and it is frankly, obnoxious. I wish I lived in an age, like the great depression, where people pulled up their socks and got on with things. YOU DON'T NEED 10 years of daily baby Tylenol, the last I heard "baby" goes away sooner than that. Leave some for the poor people who didn't go in and stockpile. Humanity sucks.
I am in a high risk group due to my smoking history and I am STILL not that scared. I no longer trust the media and I DETEST the CDC.
But, GLAD I work in healthcare as I can still make money. This is BS for almost every group. We should (if anything) isolate the old and the high risk (that's what my clinic is doing with me by keeping me out of the "Sick" clinic building it's about all they can do) and provide home services to them, and leave it at that. And focus on the treatment, so those who get it won't get seriously ill.
The only thing I'm not hating is no need to stock up on vape stuff.
The "CDC" cares about you? Right? So why are they not chasing the treatment with all their might? IDK. But, I've given up.
I am on the front lines, and our county has had 0 cases. But, we will eventually I'm thinking. Of course, a treatment COULD be stockpiled before we identified our first case, if the CDC and government REALLY wanted,
Anna
French study finds anti-malarial and antibiotic combo could reduce COVID-19 duration – TechCrunch
These are FDA drugs and no they don't cure everyone but they certainly appear to work. Trump briefly announced it on morning and I was like, "FINALLY! The insanity can stop!" It took less than an hour for the media to sabotage it though, the CDC WANTS this, probably in its efforts to well, I will stick to facts.
This virus, had it not been direly named a "CORONA" virus would have been known as a really bad virus season where many elderly died . Sometimes, I think medicine has come too far. I guess we needed a good pandemic to tank our recovering economy.
BTW, I would focus on treatment and ASK your politicians if I were you. WE ARE ALL going to get this virus, I am fairly certain. I work in a HUGE Federally qualified healthcare center and going based on symptoms I may have already had it. But mark my words, everyone will get it.
Yes, not overwhelming the hospitals is a worthy goal I guess. But, it's also futile, and with quarantining kind of a mess. There are not enough "FDA authorized", I believe the Mayo clinic got fed up and made one for themselves, tests to accurately test EVERYONE. No one knows the numbers, no one knows the death toll either.
We are doing telemedicine based on symptoms along with a bunch of other stuff. The only stress I an TRULY having and I see 20-30 well child babies who have to come in with parents daily, is the ever changing Federal Crap we have to try and keep up with daily,. I have never received more CDC/COVID healthcare emails in my life.
What you need to worry about is not getting sick, if you are reasonably healthy, but not freaking out and filling your garage with TP, focus on handwashing. You are gonna get this virus though. We are all going to die someday: the toilet paper won't save you, and it is frankly, obnoxious. I wish I lived in an age, like the great depression, where people pulled up their socks and got on with things. YOU DON'T NEED 10 years of daily baby Tylenol, the last I heard "baby" goes away sooner than that. Leave some for the poor people who didn't go in and stockpile. Humanity sucks.
I am in a high risk group due to my smoking history and I am STILL not that scared. I no longer trust the media and I DETEST the CDC.
But, GLAD I work in healthcare as I can still make money. This is BS for almost every group. We should (if anything) isolate the old and the high risk (that's what my clinic is doing with me by keeping me out of the "Sick" clinic building it's about all they can do) and provide home services to them, and leave it at that. And focus on the treatment, so those who get it won't get seriously ill.
The only thing I'm not hating is no need to stock up on vape stuff.
The "CDC" cares about you? Right? So why are they not chasing the treatment with all their might? IDK. But, I've given up.
I am on the front lines, and our county has had 0 cases. But, we will eventually I'm thinking. Of course, a treatment COULD be stockpiled before we identified our first case, if the CDC and government REALLY wanted,
Anna
Sigh.
There's several threads that have discussed this. One of the latest
https://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/threads/coronavirus-covid-19.934997/
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We'd be looking at millions dead in the USA alone, in a short time frame without these "silly" mitigation efforts, including some of our most respected doctors, teachers, etc. You know, the ones that would care for the sick, or teach math. And there's fallout for other heath-issues too, as the hospitals are saturated and HC workers get sick. That flu is still going on, and so are the car accidents (albeit less with less commuting). So this pandemic is largely ADDITIVE.
Make sure you "thank first responders for their service", eh? Many won't make it out of this "battle zone". They go to work knowing they'll eventually get sick. Some are fabricating self-made masks due to equipment shortages. And you can get PTSD from traumatic events like watching people you know and love die, day after day too.
F-ing stay the frack home, help them out.
Easy Atty.
Not abdicating that we all go out and pack Crowded Places. Or that I'm a rugged individualists who laugh in the face of danger and ignore the bleating of the nanny statists.
Just making a commentary on a New Normal we seem to be Living In.
Because even if COVID-19 dies back with the coming of warmer weather, which many believe it will, it will likely re-emerge next year just as Seasonal Flu does.
So I wonder how Sustainable it will be if we have to have Bail-Outs ever year that amount to the Same amount, or perhaps even More, than the Total Amount of the Federal Budget?
If the Fundamental Fabric of our Society is going to be Changed, and if the World Economy is going to have to Move towards a 8 Month a Year Basis, I just hope those who Advise are 95% Right.
Thank you! I think that would be a fun thing to do tonight. Maybe I can mirror it to the big screen tv.
I put that line in there to separate the two parts of the post.
Not saying you were.
Should have made a separate post for the 2nd part.
That won't happen.
What will happen is that A) We'll develop some acquired "herd immunity" from all the people that get this and recover (the vast vast majority will recover) and B) We get a vaccine developed for "artificial herd immunity". Those two together will give us the ability to deal with this in a "more normal" fashion. Add to that better treatments being developed...and I don't see that scenario you mentioned happening.
Best guess, from research and discussion in the other thread.
I hope you are Right Atty.
Because Herd Immunity takes a Large Percentage of the Population to be Infected. And then to Recover. So we might be Able to "Flatten the Curve" to mitigate the near-term effect to the Hospital/Healthcare Industry. But the Area Under the Curve would Need to be the about the Same for Herd Immunity to work in the longer term.
A Vaccine would be a Magic Bullet. If it can be found?
There's several companies working on one. I think there's a good chance we'll find at least one, and refine it over time.
The herd immunity is acquired + vaccinated. So should work. Eventually.
They've started trials on one.
Welcome to the exciting world of virus induced home incarceration!!! Prepare to get stircrazy
I’m there already.
My job shut down last Thursday.
So 15-20hr days, Six days a week to crickets overnight.
I’m losing money and my mind.
Still multitasking ftw.
hah.
If I can't have it no one can.
We vapers should be able to appreciate the forces in play better than most.
Good luck.
p.s. I understand that HCQ blocks COV-2's receptor sites effectively and also coincidentally promotes zinc take-up. But I'm no medical expert.
so much alcohol is being wasted for hand sanitizers ... that's a disaster
“Dishwashing Liquid?!”
“No. It’s Jim Beam. You’re soaking in it right now.”
The nice thing about the two drugs they are talking about, Hydroxychloroquine and Zithromax, are drugs that have long, successful histories and have been deemed safe. We save a bundle of time having to go through endless approvals.If I can't have it no one can.
We vapers should be able to appreciate the forces in play better than most.
Good luck.
p.s. I understand that HCQ blocks COV-2's receptor sites effectively and also coincidentally promotes zinc take-up. But I'm no medical expert.
Day 10 . Much longer and it’ll look like The Shining here
. I have taken to long conversations with the cat and dog. So far, only my yappy maine .... talks back. I’m taking that as a tentative sign of lingering sanity. However, my Lab DOES look at me like I’m crazy. It’s likely this virus lockdown will here past the deeming date. If our US online stores have to temporarily close, what will happen? They can’t ship, deeming comes and they can’t sell anyway. I know NY, Cali, Wash and Louisiana are the hotspots right now, but it’s spreading. It’s possible the rest of the US will be as limited as us.
The main benefit of flattening the curve is that the hospitals are not overwhelmed and everyone who needs it can get treated, which leads to a very large reduction in the fatality rate. Plus the medical staff are able to protect themselves.
This is a good look of the effects of sin taxes. Nothing really new, but they explain it well. Especially what it does to the government that imposes them.
Opinion: Why taxing bad things isn't always good policy
Opinion: Why taxing bad things isn't always good policy
They're really only looking at older drugs now. To start new from the ground up takes years and the world doesn't have that, medically or economically. They're using data derived from research from SARS & MERS to begin so they don't even have to start at step one. That's how they've come up with the info on HQ & AZ so fast. Could've done it faster if China had been forthcoming with its own data sooner.
You did. Flattening the curve could also buy some time towards finding effective treatments, like in that French study or this China Treating Coronavirus COVID-19 with Intravenous Vitamin C - Global Research
The one citation was an uncontrolled, open label study on 30 patients. It's interesting and 4-5 actual controlled clinical trials are now being conducted, which will yield far more reliable information.
While both drugs have successful histories treating the infections they are approved for, they have no hard evidence, yet, that they will help in this illness.While it is true that having already been through the approval process they can be used for an "off label" use in a situation like this, speeding things up in getting it into patients, but only you really want to do if they are shown to work. As to the safety profile, both do have an assortment of side effects like all drugs do, but both can cause problems in the conduction of the electrical rhythm of heart muscle, causing significant heart rhythm disturbances, which if not recognized are potentially fatal. Using plaquenil with zithromax would increase that risk, as they both act to cause the same potential heartbeat irregularity. It would be great if they were of some value, but we don't know yet.
There are ongoing trials of a medication, remdesivir, which was developed especially against other viral illnesses (Ebola and Marburg were the first viruses it was developed for, but coronavirus does share a similar genetic makeup, making it possible it will be effective here as well). There are 2 Phase III double blind clinical studies being rushed through right now to see how that pans out. It is also beginning to be made available on a compassionate use basis until those studies are completed as soon as possible.
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