Deeming Regulations have been released!!!!
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It's not an all or none proposition. Our current system is a mix. Turn it all over to gov't and it's curtains.
Actually, it depends. Sometimes bad healthcare will kill you quicker than none at all. I promise, government healthcare is not the panacea people seem to think.
Also, we see people with no healthcare all the time, on sliding fee scales no less, like sometimes 10 dollars a visit. To be fair, we like, have government FUNDING but we are a private ENTITY.
Most people are not aware you CAN get reasonably decent healthcare if you don't have insurance but you need to know a lot of stuff, etc.
Anna
B.S. Winger crap. All evidence in every country indicates the exact opposite.
The financing should be public, because it's insurance. Big-pool = better solution. Insurance is ALWAYS a group thing. And all insurance is "gubment" regulated, even if state-by-state. Always has been.
The SERVICING side can be private. That's fine too. Capitalist and competitive business model.
The danger is Biden's milquetoast half-solution, that appeases everyone and solves virtually nothing. But I digress.
This is really the wrong thread for this.
I won't get into it too much, but since I gave a red x, and abhor those that give them without explanation:
The idea of not supporting handing over our massive healthcare system completely to hour government is most definitely not BS, or an extreme right wing idea. And the idea that financing should be public because big pools are good? So anything you deem good should require that I, and everyone else is mandated to particpate? Sorry, big disagree there. A right isn't a right if you can force someone else to give a portion of their life toward your goal. That would be a BS winger concept.
Italy has a single payer system. It also has more doctors per 1,000 citizens and more hospital beds per 1,000. They’re still having a helluva time there. If there was ever a time to not mess with the current system , this is it.
In a year or two it may help to reflect on what happened here and in other nations as to what worked, what didn’t, and will changes improve access to healthcare and remain affordable for the individual.
In the meantime regardless of what type of insurance you do or do not have, or your ability to pay on an individual basis, we’re all going to be spending trillions of dollars on managing and treating this pandemic. And while it may be with borrowed money the government disburses, at the end of the day it’s still us, the American taxpayers who will be footing the bill.
I’m not saying all the stimulus packages and all the funds being pumped into the healthcare system are bad. They’re absolutely necessary. But like everything else, we will be paying the off the tab for many years, with whatever secondary effects that will have on the US, and well, world economy.
In a year or two it may help to reflect on what happened here and in other nations as to what worked, what didn’t, and will changes improve access to healthcare and remain affordable for the individual.
In the meantime regardless of what type of insurance you do or do not have, or your ability to pay on an individual basis, we’re all going to be spending trillions of dollars on managing and treating this pandemic. And while it may be with borrowed money the government disburses, at the end of the day it’s still us, the American taxpayers who will be footing the bill.
I’m not saying all the stimulus packages and all the funds being pumped into the healthcare system are bad. They’re absolutely necessary. But like everything else, we will be paying the off the tab for many years, with whatever secondary effects that will have on the US, and well, world economy.
Actually, by definition, that's a LEFT winger concept...excessive social obligation. The right-winger concept is more about radical independence, little or no social obligation or responsibility.
Our country is NOTHING like the countries where government insurance works. It's too corrupt. It will a) never HAPPEN and b) if it does, it will just be some OTHER thing the politicians freaking SKIM OFF of, frankly.
Take Medicare insurance. It's not the greatest but with a plan B, you can sort of get it done. HOWEVER Social security would be flourishing currently, IF the government hadn't raided the FUND.
Sorry, I will stop after this, but usually when the government takes over stuff (perhaps the postal service excepted, I don't think they get extra funding but I can't remember) it goes to hell in a handbasket.
I would be 100% FOR a single payer SYSTEM if it were a workable, NON corrupt one. Don't forget the healthcare lobby probably more intense even than the tobacco lobby.
Our government is NOTHING like the ones that make it work. Not remotely similar.
The only reason I am NOT for a single payer system in this country is it (with the state of affairs as they are now) it is flat out IMPOSSIBLE to implement and carry out safely. I actually think things would be worse.
And yes, I have had time periods with NO insurance have multiple, chronic illnesses and yet, have not died.
Anna
Take Medicare insurance. It's not the greatest but with a plan B, you can sort of get it done. HOWEVER Social security would be flourishing currently, IF the government hadn't raided the FUND.
Sorry, I will stop after this, but usually when the government takes over stuff (perhaps the postal service excepted, I don't think they get extra funding but I can't remember) it goes to hell in a handbasket.
I would be 100% FOR a single payer SYSTEM if it were a workable, NON corrupt one. Don't forget the healthcare lobby probably more intense even than the tobacco lobby.
Our government is NOTHING like the ones that make it work. Not remotely similar.
The only reason I am NOT for a single payer system in this country is it (with the state of affairs as they are now) it is flat out IMPOSSIBLE to implement and carry out safely. I actually think things would be worse.
And yes, I have had time periods with NO insurance have multiple, chronic illnesses and yet, have not died.
Anna
Yeah, fixing this Oligarchy mess is nasty. That gets us back to the thread topic....namely...the FDA et al f-ing it all up due to big money and special interests.
I've never given anyone an "X". Now I gave out two. 
Keep the system private as we have seen time and time again the private sector deliver far better than any gov't run program. For those who cannot help themselves we can assist them to participate in the private system.
Go ahead and get the last word because I agree this is not the place for this discussion and I am done.
Keep the system private as we have seen time and time again the private sector deliver far better than any gov't run program. For those who cannot help themselves we can assist them to participate in the private system.
Go ahead and get the last word because I agree this is not the place for this discussion and I am done.
I think you're either confused, or writing confusingly. It is the left that insists that healthcare (housing, living wage...plug in whatever they think is good) is a right. In spite of the fact that by doing so, it obligates others to give up their true rights. I'm not by any means advocating leaving people to suffer and die, but just because an issue is something we should all strive for doesn't make it a right.
You've given out 18 inclusively.
I'll take the honor of the most recent two, and that's the last word.
Stay safe.
I'll take the honor of the most recent two, and that's the last word.
Stay safe.
I've never given anyone an "X". Now I gave out two.
Keep the system private as we have seen time and time again the private sector deliver far better than any gov't run program. For those who cannot help themselves we can assist them to participate in the private system.
Go ahead and get the last word because I agree this is not the place for this discussion and I am done.
I wrote it correctly and clearly, and it didn't contradict what you just said. Where's the confusion?
Are you mandated to have auto insurance in your state? Homeowner’s insurance by your mortgage holder? How about those payroll taxes that are supposed to go to social security even though you know you’ll never be paid squat from it (really, the younger generation gets that SS won’t be around for them when they retire). How about that 1.25% Medicare tax, when you’re not even on Medicare?
AFAIK, every state, federal, and private mandate mentioned (along with other examples) are constitutional.
The most obvious example is the military budget that we all MUST pay for, and it's considered a "need". If that's a shared need, and can be paid for...mandated...then so can other needs.
The obvious push-pull is the individual vs the social-needs.
The right-wingers are in hypocritical territory when they keep upping mandatory defense budgets (which I agree is a shared need, and thank them for their service) but want to privatize everything else. Hell, the military is so "socialist" that it GIVES you healthcare, education, and it OWNS YOU if you're enlisted. With "free" clothes and lodging too. And obligation. They just manage to justify that fact with rhetoric.
Paying for group-needed things isn't new to righties. At all.
And the facts are we DO need a military of some degree or another, and we also need healthcare and also need some independence and "rights" (another abused word) too. Push-pull. Balance. etc.
Okay, I have a question do you think deeming will even happen on time? I can't see the FDA doing that much honestly, with everything else going on? Or will the government continue the citizen sodomy in more areas than one like usual?
I'm kind of serious with this question.
Anna
I'm kind of serious with this question.
Anna
The deeming is already written. Unless they retract it, it happens.
I think the interesting question is: Will they enforce it? I mean, if the shops are mostly closed, what are they enforcing?
Have no fear, gas-station crap e-cigs will be available. :/
I think the interesting question is: Will they enforce it? I mean, if the shops are mostly closed, what are they enforcing?
Have no fear, gas-station crap e-cigs will be available. :/
Auto insurance? Not required by everyone. If you choose alternates to vehicle ownership. And I'm not required to pay it for other people.
Mortgage? Really bad example, no one is required to pay mortgage insurance for someone else. And you don't pay it if you don't have a mortgage.
Social Security? SCOTUS says it's constitutional, using the "general welfare" interpretation. Pretty broad, and really an overreach decision.
Medicare? Same as SS. Just because these things have precedent doesn't make them infallibly correct.
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