To fend off the recession?
The M1/M2 Injection the Feds did was to Slow the Circling of the Drain.
Deeming Regulations have been released!!!!
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To fend off the recession?
The M1/M2 Injection the Feds did was to Slow the Circling of the Drain.
Oh, I thought it was the "H" in the last part.To fend off the recession?
The M1/M2 Injection the Feds did was to Slow the Circling of the Drain.
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OK, I admit this is a bit "left" even for me, and I'm not 100% sure on this MMT stuff. But it will give you food for thought on some of the things discussed above, and is worth investing a few minutes on just to get the "other perspective". Recently posted by @Moonlit knight in the OUTSIDE!
This thread is re Deeming Regulations.
There is a thread in the Outside where Covid 19 is being discussed :
https://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/threads/coronavirus-covid-19.934997/
There is a thread in the Outside where Covid 19 is being discussed :
https://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/threads/coronavirus-covid-19.934997/
I Hear You...
What I thought would have made some sense was instead of doing "Helicopter" Money for Adults, was to Allow up to a 2 or 3 Months of Individual withdraw for their Social Security account. With a Similar type of Caps on Income and for Married Couples/Households.
Yes... The Feds would have to come up with Liquid Currency, but at least there would be an Overall Balance Sheet Offset.
And if an Individual didn't have 2 or 3 Months accrued in SS, then they could just get a Check like what they currently are doing.
OK, dump the regulations free e-cigs for everyone (adults)!
Just to keep up on things, I've read several pages of this thread. Too bad none of it has to do with vaping 
Gotcha. Sorry CW.
Here is something I haven't heard much about on the ECF...
Reynolds Submits Second And Third Complete Premarket Tobacco Product Applications
^^^ it's too bad the studies submitted are commercially proprietary... other companies could use the same studies
Ok let me propose a scenario:
This scenario is mostly based in my experience of Spain and maybe some other countries in Europe,about the USA and Canada,not sure..ok so here it goes:
If the government decided to get their cut out of the whole vaping scene i think this is what they would do:
Well first of all they wouldn't be able to ''over tax'' the mechanical/electronic aspect of it,they over tax cigarettes but electronic and mechanic components for vaping?
Nope don't see it happening.
Now let's move on to the components of e-liquid,now keep in mind i had to google some of this stuff since i know that there is PG/VG,aroma and nicotine in it but i didn't know what uses PG/VG had outside of vaping.
Vegetable Glycerin from what i have read has multiple purposes outside of the vaping world,skin care,food,etc etc so over tax on this won't happen.
Propylene glycol is used as a as a food additive,medications,cosmetic products and more,so same as Vegetable Glycerin,they wont over tax that.
Vaping flavors,well i've read this:
A New Bill Would Ban The Sale of All Flavored Nicotine Products
and it seems that only menthol and tobacco flavors will remain but that is only in some states,other states they are getting rid of it altogether.
^^
If i'm mistaken on this flavor thing i do apologize but that is what i found when i tried to look for info on flavors for e-liquid.
Either way i think that vaping won't stop,newer studies will come out proving that it's much much but much more healthier than smoking a regular cigarette.
Having said this the government not only in the USA but all over the world will want a slice of the pie,so the only thing left for them is to over tax us to death on nicotine.
As far as i know the nicotine we use for vaping has no other uses except for what we use it for so i think it makes sense that there is where the government will get a hold on us.
Placing a tax on nicotine will be the only way for them not to lose revenue,rest of the items we use for vaping cant be taxed since they have multitude uses outside of the vaping community.
This is just me brain storming a bit about the whole situation,i don't see vaping stopping any time soon and it will only get bigger.
The poor attempts of tobacco companies to join the party have been lackluster at best,Heated tobacco products haven't been the savior they thought it would be for the situation they are in,the decline of sales of cigarettes is real and the whole ''heat but not burn'' gimmick hasn't worked.
Well anyway,i've rambled enough for today,would love to hear your thoughts on this.
cheers
This scenario is mostly based in my experience of Spain and maybe some other countries in Europe,about the USA and Canada,not sure..ok so here it goes:
If the government decided to get their cut out of the whole vaping scene i think this is what they would do:
Well first of all they wouldn't be able to ''over tax'' the mechanical/electronic aspect of it,they over tax cigarettes but electronic and mechanic components for vaping?
Nope don't see it happening.
Now let's move on to the components of e-liquid,now keep in mind i had to google some of this stuff since i know that there is PG/VG,aroma and nicotine in it but i didn't know what uses PG/VG had outside of vaping.
Vegetable Glycerin from what i have read has multiple purposes outside of the vaping world,skin care,food,etc etc so over tax on this won't happen.
Propylene glycol is used as a as a food additive,medications,cosmetic products and more,so same as Vegetable Glycerin,they wont over tax that.
Vaping flavors,well i've read this:
A New Bill Would Ban The Sale of All Flavored Nicotine Products
and it seems that only menthol and tobacco flavors will remain but that is only in some states,other states they are getting rid of it altogether.
^^
If i'm mistaken on this flavor thing i do apologize but that is what i found when i tried to look for info on flavors for e-liquid.
Either way i think that vaping won't stop,newer studies will come out proving that it's much much but much more healthier than smoking a regular cigarette.
Having said this the government not only in the USA but all over the world will want a slice of the pie,so the only thing left for them is to over tax us to death on nicotine.
As far as i know the nicotine we use for vaping has no other uses except for what we use it for so i think it makes sense that there is where the government will get a hold on us.
Placing a tax on nicotine will be the only way for them not to lose revenue,rest of the items we use for vaping cant be taxed since they have multitude uses outside of the vaping community.
This is just me brain storming a bit about the whole situation,i don't see vaping stopping any time soon and it will only get bigger.
The poor attempts of tobacco companies to join the party have been lackluster at best,Heated tobacco products haven't been the savior they thought it would be for the situation they are in,the decline of sales of cigarettes is real and the whole ''heat but not burn'' gimmick hasn't worked.
Well anyway,i've rambled enough for today,would love to hear your thoughts on this.
cheers
Okay, I'm done on the subject, but "We'll live" is by any American standard, dismissive. And I didn't ask if you were rich. I asked if the shutdown affected your work, and I think we all saw the answer to that, in your (lack of an) answer.Nope, not dismissive at all.
The country will survive, I can't say all will make it financially. And no, that's not dismissive either, and I'm not rich. My point is that sometimes the country has to do what it has to do.
I did say that I was disappointed in how D.C. handled it. I mentioned that the UK paid 80% of salaries.
So IDK how that's "dismissive". I think it's mishandled, but that doesn't mean we don't shut down.
Here, Mnuchin claims that people can get by for 10 weeks on $1,200.
On topic- oddly, and not that I want them to, but: I hope the world is normal enough in a few months that the FDA can turn their attention to deeming. At least that would mean the world is in a better place otherwise.
(I think this is part of Deeming?)
But around April 2, this..
Oversight Committee urges FDA to ban e-cigarettes, vaping over coronavirus risks
So, if smoking and vaping (a big if, based on opinion, not fact) increases coronavirus risks, why just ban e-cigs? How does that ban help smokers? Shouldn't they have asked that all tobacco be banned? (yea, I know why, nobody wants to go up against Big Tobacco)
(and of course, I'm not saying they should be banned, just pointing out the fallacy in their case.)
But around April 2, this..
Oversight Committee urges FDA to ban e-cigarettes, vaping over coronavirus risks
So, if smoking and vaping (a big if, based on opinion, not fact) increases coronavirus risks, why just ban e-cigs? How does that ban help smokers? Shouldn't they have asked that all tobacco be banned? (yea, I know why, nobody wants to go up against Big Tobacco)
(and of course, I'm not saying they should be banned, just pointing out the fallacy in their case.)
I get it but as far as discussing what caused the FDA to extend?
Also I am passionate about saving vaping, but also the economies who MAKE vaping possible, and as far as matters of life and DEATH? Vaping SAVED mine. It may be tangential but sometimes you gotta look at the big picture.
What it DOES tell me, at least, and something I can be THANKFUL for in this whole mess: the FDA decided to focus it's time on things that KILL and not things that save lives and should be left alone.
IF I have gratitude for one thing, it is THAT. Amen.
This post is not tangential to deeming I hope, the fact the FDA made a sane and useful decision. Maybe they will approach deeming (much later) with the same pragmatic attitude I HOPE.
Although there is a part of me that thinks deeming is like, created by VERY quiet VAPE lobby to cause folks tp stock up madly, and periodically. New vapers are made all the time. it is a MARKETIING thread. LOL. New vapers all the time. I know it scared me to hell and back when I joined (and maybe I a good way I accelerated some vape RTA and DIY MUCH earlier than I would have otherwise, I was petrified, LOL)
I kid about the last part but am serious about the first, but I sincerely hope this post is about deeming enough.
Anna
Also I am passionate about saving vaping, but also the economies who MAKE vaping possible, and as far as matters of life and DEATH? Vaping SAVED mine. It may be tangential but sometimes you gotta look at the big picture.
What it DOES tell me, at least, and something I can be THANKFUL for in this whole mess: the FDA decided to focus it's time on things that KILL and not things that save lives and should be left alone.
IF I have gratitude for one thing, it is THAT. Amen.
This post is not tangential to deeming I hope, the fact the FDA made a sane and useful decision. Maybe they will approach deeming (much later) with the same pragmatic attitude I HOPE.
Although there is a part of me that thinks deeming is like, created by VERY quiet VAPE lobby to cause folks tp stock up madly, and periodically. New vapers are made all the time. it is a MARKETIING thread. LOL. New vapers all the time. I know it scared me to hell and back when I joined (and maybe I a good way I accelerated some vape RTA and DIY MUCH earlier than I would have otherwise, I was petrified, LOL)
I kid about the last part but am serious about the first, but I sincerely hope this post is about deeming enough.
Anna
' In the end, he'd always be right.
Fortunately, the FDA rejected the committee's proposal.
https://vaping360.com/vape-news/89701/fda-rejects-krishnamoorthis-call-for-a-temporary-vape-ban/
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I will never ever trivialize death. But, I think that the media coverage and government response has blown this way out of proportion.
The CDC estimate for the annual flu death this season is between 20,000-60,000. Is that a lot more?
Have you ever seen the media compare the two?
Have you ever seen the media talk about the fact that 99% of the fatalities are with people with underlying medical issues?
I'm truly sorry to see anyone suffer. Or die. Really.
But, shutting down the economy is wrong.
I'll give up my life so that my sons and grandkids can have a life without serious problems, which I'm concerned that they will now have because of this shutdown.
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