Deeming Regulations have been released!!!!
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Wow, Steve Forbes standing up for American vapers. What an amazing turn of events!
Nice to have you on board Steve. He will prove to be a powerful ally. I think the deeming will go through this time. I just hope and pray the government will realize there mistake and roll back the industry killing regulations. Then we can start rebuilding the industry and some of these businesses can re open or new ones can replace them. Wishful thinking, I know, but if we can get some power players like Steve Forbes to explain how bad this is to our lawmakers they may listen to him. One can only hope.
That sucks, I feel horrible for these business owners who opened shops not just for profit but because they believed in vaping and could make a living while helping people.its tragic to see good people, doing good things, lose their livelihood because of powerful people with political clout spreading lies so their businesses can maximize profits and don’t lose anymore customers to vaping. They only want to lose customers to a long slow death brought on by their product. It’s really good vs. evil, samson v goliath, stand up folks vs. money hungry sociopaths. Ok now that I’ve bummed myself out I’ll leave it there, man the truth hurts.
There's what the government's going to do. Then what the vape businesses will do. And then there's what 10-15 million American vapers are going to do, who aren't already living with significant restrictions. I haven't read anything about what vapers are doing in states that already have serious restrictions or may be no vape shops in business. What's happening in those places. I mix and rebuild so very out of touch with the local walk in retail market.
I’m similar to the poster above. I mix my own juice and shop for gear online. I’ve never stepped foot in a B&M and have vaped for 8+years.
I think we should start a movement called Vapers lives matter. It could help turn the tide if we get big enough where our voter numbers get significant and the politicians have to listen. As a bonus it would piss off these black lives matter frauds that couldn’t care less about black lives. Can’t say all lives matter? Fine, we won’t, vapers lives matter.
#vaperslivesmatter we need to hold these politicians accountable for all the bodies that they are responsible for. Taking away the most successful smoking cessation product that has ever existed, by far, will doom millions of current and future smokers to a premature death. For the love of god, it doesn’t take much to understand how amazing e-cigarettes are at helping people quit smoking. Millions of dollars and countless hours have been dedicated to finding a way to get people to quit smoking. When we finally find one the government tries to squash it because they don’t have their greedy tentacles wrapped around the industry so they can control and profit from it. If you really take a look it’s really F>ing infuriating. It also lends credence to other “conspiracy theories” about the government like killing the electric car way back when some guy had a car that ran on water but suddenly died before the tech got out and his car disappeared. There’s no doubt they’re trying hard to kill vaping, and probably have killed other technologies before they could get out. Well that got a little of topic, so to bring it home I’ll finish with #vaperslivesmatter
I think we should start a movement called Vapers lives matter. It could help turn the tide if we get big enough where our voter numbers get significant and the politicians have to listen. As a bonus it would piss off these black lives matter frauds that couldn’t care less about black lives. Can’t say all lives matter? Fine, we won’t, vapers lives matter.
#vaperslivesmatter we need to hold these politicians accountable for all the bodies that they are responsible for. Taking away the most successful smoking cessation product that has ever existed, by far, will doom millions of current and future smokers to a premature death. For the love of god, it doesn’t take much to understand how amazing e-cigarettes are at helping people quit smoking. Millions of dollars and countless hours have been dedicated to finding a way to get people to quit smoking. When we finally find one the government tries to squash it because they don’t have their greedy tentacles wrapped around the industry so they can control and profit from it. If you really take a look it’s really F>ing infuriating. It also lends credence to other “conspiracy theories” about the government like killing the electric car way back when some guy had a car that ran on water but suddenly died before the tech got out and his car disappeared. There’s no doubt they’re trying hard to kill vaping, and probably have killed other technologies before they could get out. Well that got a little of topic, so to bring it home I’ll finish with #vaperslivesmatter
HARD NO on the vapelivesmatter, I don't want to be considered a rabid freak who is willing to pretend to give a rat's rear end regarding vaping, while secretly pushing Big Tobacco's agenda.
Because this is what any person would think (with sense, I agree the pool is getting smaller) after comparing it with black lives matter.
Black lives matter is about rabid and unabashed communism, not race inequalities.
We can't have a vape organization that every knows is secretly shilling for BT. Really. Anything but that. I'm sort of wondering if there is a way of legislating that phrase so those three words can NEVER be used in that order without an arrest. Like, 'Black Tie Lives Matter" is fine, or even "Black lives Natter" or "White Communists Suck so Hard and that Matters.
HARD NO.
Anna
Because this is what any person would think (with sense, I agree the pool is getting smaller) after comparing it with black lives matter.
Black lives matter is about rabid and unabashed communism, not race inequalities.
We can't have a vape organization that every knows is secretly shilling for BT. Really. Anything but that. I'm sort of wondering if there is a way of legislating that phrase so those three words can NEVER be used in that order without an arrest. Like, 'Black Tie Lives Matter" is fine, or even "Black lives Natter" or "White Communists Suck so Hard and that Matters.
HARD NO.
Anna
I think it's less about who they vote for and more about being voted against due to the policies a member/candidate of government support.
That's what I figured seeing I don't know of anyone who has come out with full throated support for vaping.
Yeah I think they look at it like ah it's a million votes max, I can do without them.
I think they underestimate the vaping community, sure there may be a million vapers but they all have families who have watched them quit smoking and have their health improve so the number it influences is definitely greater than just the amount of those who vape.
No, there is no endorsable candidate.
There are only candidates the group could THREATEN to endorse. Me, personally l'd go after that Cuban chick whose dad said she was a disgrace to her heritage, because Joe Biden wouldn't notice.
At least here, Trump wouldn't notice because I believe it (so far) to have been the state most willing to heartily endorse Trump without a pitchfork group showing up and ripping the sign out of wherever it is and engraving threats upon the lawn. It's so refreshing. I'm not saying Trump is my favorite president of all time but you know what WV Appalachians are? Smart. You will never know HOW smart if you assume otherwise, because they can spot someone being patronizing a mile away and they "go dark." It's like ALMOST a split personality but they know they are doing it (this is my observation this far and from marrying one. I can patronize him the SLIGHTEST bit and he will like, wait until I am tangled in a giant ball of wool 32 days later before he even ANSWERS. And he loves me I assume.)
Really, we need a third party candidate who is sane, ethical, thoughtful and willing to return to the Constitutional basics.
So get back to me in 300 years when the US is a steaming pile or rubble 80% of it and let me know, I will be interested in finding out who that politician is.
The other thing I've considered might be fun and bring us back to basics in a way would be like, ROTATING political systems, not just like the system itself but the people in it.
It would help us figure out if the US sucks because of the populace, the laws, or the politicians.
I would like England and Canada first. China might be a good choice though if only to head of the bout of rampant communism we got going. We could live in a REAL communist system for a couple years, pass it on, and go, "Oh, so that is what that is like that SUCKS. What an idiot I was for participating in the phrase that cannot be named."
Checks and balances are all that keep me sane, I'm like "Oookay whoever it is will only get 1/100 of their agenda done in 8 years I need not fear."
Only, communism gets stuff done; We would be in for a RUDE awakening.
I don't want to work that hard for that price either but it might be worth it for the younger generation. No one sane enjoys going from 8 hours a day video gaming into the coal mines.
No vaping either I don't think?
Anna
At the moment it's all kind of a zero sum game is how I comfort myself. If Trump is reelected well, the democrats will like CONTINUE on with the "pay you to stay home" and if Cuban Chick is elected, there will immediately be a COVID cure or the numbers will drop to what they were all along.
Yeah, it's all gonna suck. Sorry. Vaping is gonna be toast for a bit regardless of who is "endorsed."
There are only candidates the group could THREATEN to endorse. Me, personally l'd go after that Cuban chick whose dad said she was a disgrace to her heritage, because Joe Biden wouldn't notice.
At least here, Trump wouldn't notice because I believe it (so far) to have been the state most willing to heartily endorse Trump without a pitchfork group showing up and ripping the sign out of wherever it is and engraving threats upon the lawn. It's so refreshing. I'm not saying Trump is my favorite president of all time but you know what WV Appalachians are? Smart. You will never know HOW smart if you assume otherwise, because they can spot someone being patronizing a mile away and they "go dark." It's like ALMOST a split personality but they know they are doing it (this is my observation this far and from marrying one. I can patronize him the SLIGHTEST bit and he will like, wait until I am tangled in a giant ball of wool 32 days later before he even ANSWERS. And he loves me I assume.)
Really, we need a third party candidate who is sane, ethical, thoughtful and willing to return to the Constitutional basics.
So get back to me in 300 years when the US is a steaming pile or rubble 80% of it and let me know, I will be interested in finding out who that politician is.
The other thing I've considered might be fun and bring us back to basics in a way would be like, ROTATING political systems, not just like the system itself but the people in it.
It would help us figure out if the US sucks because of the populace, the laws, or the politicians.
I would like England and Canada first. China might be a good choice though if only to head of the bout of rampant communism we got going. We could live in a REAL communist system for a couple years, pass it on, and go, "Oh, so that is what that is like that SUCKS. What an idiot I was for participating in the phrase that cannot be named."
Checks and balances are all that keep me sane, I'm like "Oookay whoever it is will only get 1/100 of their agenda done in 8 years I need not fear."
Only, communism gets stuff done; We would be in for a RUDE awakening.
I don't want to work that hard for that price either but it might be worth it for the younger generation. No one sane enjoys going from 8 hours a day video gaming into the coal mines.
No vaping either I don't think?
Anna
At the moment it's all kind of a zero sum game is how I comfort myself. If Trump is reelected well, the democrats will like CONTINUE on with the "pay you to stay home" and if Cuban Chick is elected, there will immediately be a COVID cure or the numbers will drop to what they were all along.
Yeah, it's all gonna suck. Sorry. Vaping is gonna be toast for a bit regardless of who is "endorsed."
JMO. But I believe the Mindset of the "We Vape, We Vote" thing is to send a Message to the Current President.
And that Message is... "If Vaping is Lost, and You are going to Do Exactly what the Other is Going to Do, I might as well Vote for the Other Guy."
Que? That makes no sense. If the two main candidates are going to do the exact same thing as each other, yelling, "We vape, we vote" has ZERO effect. Because, trust, me, the one being yelled at is going to KNOW the only sane thing to do in that instance would be to vote based on other issues. Also, they would know immediately if like, the other candidate changed their stance on vaping.
Except Joe Biden who won't know much at all, and may at some point need to be tied to his secret service minder. I don't actually find this funny MUCH I think it's pretty dang sad to do that TO someone, much as when I later found out why ah, Nancy Regan was taking such an "active" role in the presidency in the end, it made me mad. You do not do that to someone you purport to love.
Alzheimer's is HARD ENOUGH. You should NOT have to try and be elected/continue the presidency just because the powers that be think it is " good." It is not "good." That is what vice presidents are FOR dang it. Shove the Cuban to the FRONT.
Anna
Glad to not be a politician…. yet. My husband did meet someone who knew the chick who killed the 9 VA people at my job. My husband asked the dude if he knew why and he said, "Yeah, I don't really think anyone knows why people do stuff like that."
I felt it was the right answer.
Except Joe Biden who won't know much at all, and may at some point need to be tied to his secret service minder. I don't actually find this funny MUCH I think it's pretty dang sad to do that TO someone, much as when I later found out why ah, Nancy Regan was taking such an "active" role in the presidency in the end, it made me mad. You do not do that to someone you purport to love.
Alzheimer's is HARD ENOUGH. You should NOT have to try and be elected/continue the presidency just because the powers that be think it is " good." It is not "good." That is what vice presidents are FOR dang it. Shove the Cuban to the FRONT.
Anna
Glad to not be a politician…. yet. My husband did meet someone who knew the chick who killed the 9 VA people at my job. My husband asked the dude if he knew why and he said, "Yeah, I don't really think anyone knows why people do stuff like that."
I felt it was the right answer.
Ne vous méprenez pas.
I Didn't say it Made Sense. Or Has to Make Sense. Or is Going to Work. But it Can/Does send a Message.
I also Question your use of the words "If" and "exact" as Guaranteed Certainties.
In Fact, I think it is Highly Debatable just how "exact[ly] same" Trump's HHS/FDA would compare to Biden's HHS/FDA when it comes to e-Cigarettes. And Regulatory Enforcement coupled with the PMTA process.
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I vape. I vote. I play guitar.
Neither has much consequence on the others.
But IMHO, there are much larger issues than vaping. Regardless of the fact that cigarettes have killed more people this year than the virus.
Neither has much consequence on the others.
But IMHO, there are much larger issues than vaping. Regardless of the fact that cigarettes have killed more people this year than the virus.
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