Deeming Regulations have been released!!!!

[ShowMeTwice]

Then you probably Know that when a thread gets Moved to the OUTSIDE that Regular ECF Members Posting plummets to near Zero. So Moving a Thread to the OUTSIDE Doesn't move the Discussion.

It would be a Shame if this Thread was Relegated to the OUTSIDE. There just Isn't much left anymore on this side of the ECF regarding Policy and Legislative matters.

But I would be Interested to hear Your Views on where You think the New Administration is going to take e-Cigarettes. So if you Create an OUTSIDE Thread as newyork13 suggested, please post a Link to it.

BTW - If you check out My Profile, you'll see that I have done some Time in the OUTSIDE. At least a Whirl's worth.

LOL

I think the Outside gets a negative rap compared to this side of ECF. Folks over there are cordial to each other with the exception of a few fringe elements (currently ~3-4 active and the occasional interlopers). There are some spats between folks but that's no different than this side of ECF or RL/RW.

I don't need to check your posts out over there, I totally believe you. My profile is wide open for anyone to see my posts, everywhere. You likely checked out some my posts over there, that's cool man. I've nothing to hide. I am who I am. I do think the folks who block (limit) their profiles are funny because their ECF posts can be seen with one simple click (not via search), if one knows how, easy.

I have no way of knowing "where ... the New Administration is going to take e-Cigarettes". We would be speculating. A rational guess is the direction will be the same, or very nearly the same, per FDA recommendations. What will new admin do? Who knows. I don't. You don't. No one here does. The one thing I am confident of is that new admin will have their hands full for at least the next year with the pandemic. And very likely cleaning up other assorted "things" as well.

It's dumb for anyone to think, or suggest, that "because so and so won that's the end". Or however they choose to word it. Only a loser would think that way because it's clear they haven't been paying attention nor staying up-to-date on what's been going on for well over 4+ years. And that responsibility was squarely on them as it was on each of us.

As I posted earlier today, IMO the "who" nor the "how" no longer matters as they ALL have been gunning for us vapers for years. Certainly the rational here can agree on that (IDK). Vapers are, as CMD-Ky posted, "the flavor of the day". Red, Purple, Blue are all guilty of coming after us. None can escape our criticism. Perhaps a few can escape our ire but the majority cannot.

If current admin would have gotten 4 more the proverbial can might have been kicked down the road a little. But even that is suspect. We will NEVER know.

Regulations were coming no matter who would have won. And I suspect the FDA has had a long running template for the regulations they want to impose. We'll see, time reveals all.

 

[Bronze]

Trump told the FDA chief to get the vaccine approved today or resign.

I know this is kinda off topic but gives us an idea of the ineptness of the FDA. What a bureaucratic cluster! I don't see them enforcing vape laws.

 

[ShowMeTwice]

I don't see them enforcing vape laws.

Exactly.

 

[zoiDman]

I think the Outside gets a negative rap compared to this side of ECF. Folks over there are cordial to each other with the exception of a few fringe elements (currently ~3-4 active and the occasional interlopers). There are some spats between folks but that's no different than this side of ECF or RL/RW.

...

Oh Yeah. The OUTSIDE can be Totally Cordial.

That is, as long as one has the Same Views as the Cartel. But if you Differ on say... Gun Control or Abortion or the Death Penalty or Taxation or Health Care or Income Distribution or Social Programs or Education or ________ , then it Might Not be so Friendly.

The Long and the Short of it is If the OUTSIDE was a Good (or even Decent) place for people to Express their Views, and or to Discuss/Debate Diverse Topics, ECF members would Flock to it in Droves. And the Mods wouldn't use Moving Threads to it as a Threat.

To Me, the OUTSIDE is a Lot like any particular e-Cigarette. If someone Likes it, and gets Enjoyment Out of it, Hey that's Great. Go For It.

But the Rap the OUTSIDE has Is what it Is. And it Is for a Reason.

 

[zoiDman]

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I know this is kinda off topic but gives us an idea of the ineptness of the FDA. What a bureaucratic cluster! I don't see them enforcing vape laws.

I Hope you're Right Bronze.

But the FDA is going to Undergo a Top Down Change very soon. And I Can't convince myself that the Changes are going to be Good for e-Cigarette users or the e-Cigarette Market.

 

[puffon]

I Hope you're Right Bronze.

But the FDA is going to Undergo a Top Down Change very soon. And I Can't convince myself that the Changes are going to be Good for e-Cigarette users or the e-Cigarette Market.

Add to that if Dick Durbin gets his way in a Dem controlled senate.

 

[zoiDman]

Add to that if Dick Durbin gets his way in a Dem controlled senate.

Talk about a Vaper's WORST Nightmare.

Sleep with one eye open
Gripping your pillow tight

Exit Light
Enter Night
Take my Hand
We're off to Never-Never Land

 

[ShowMeTwice]

Oh Yeah. The OUTSIDE can be Totally Cordial.

That is, as long as one has the Same Views as the Cartel. But if you Differ on say... Gun Control or Abortion or the Death Penalty or Taxation or Health Care or Income Distribution or Social Programs or Education or ________ , then it Might Not be so Friendly.

The Long and the Short of it is If the OUTSIDE was a Good (or even Decent) place for people to Express their Views, and or to Discuss/Debate Diverse Topics, ECF members would Flock to it in Droves. And the Mods wouldn't use Moving Threads to it as a Threat.

To Me, the OUTSIDE is a Lot like any particular e-Cigarette. If someone Likes it, and gets Enjoyment Out of it, Hey that's Great. Go For It.

But the Rap the OUTSIDE has Is what it Is. And it Is for a Reason.

The Cartel, very intelligent but hits hard.

Like vaping, "different strokes, different folks". It's all good.

The whole Deeming thing pisses off all of us. The way I look at it we as vapers are all on the same ship but the tsunami we face has more power and very deep pockets. We can't match that. Our gov is full of azzes of all stripes. Ace is an ace...

 

[newyork13]

R. J. Reynolds now (has for years actually) owns the company that makes them, Santa Fe Natural. So they're probably not as healthy as they used to be. A friend of mine still smokes them, even though I had gotten him into vaping but he 'relapsed', said they don't taste like they used to.

I didn't know about the corporate ownership.
I still have a half pack of the yellow, left over from when i switched to vaping. Never had much interest in opening the pack again.

 

[newyork13]

Then you probably Know that when a thread gets Moved to the OUTSIDE that Regular ECF Members Posting plummets to near Zero. So Moving a Thread to the OUTSIDE Doesn't move the Discussion.

It would be a Shame if this Thread was Relegated to the OUTSIDE. There just Isn't much left anymore on this side of the ECF regarding Policy and Legislative matters.

But I would be Interested to hear Your Views on where You think the New Administration is going to take e-Cigarettes. So if you Create an OUTSIDE Thread as newyork13 suggested, please post a Link to it.

BTW - If you check out My Profile, you'll see that I have done some Time in the OUTSIDE. At least a Whirl's worth.

LOL

For the record, I didn't suggest moving this thread to the Outside, just wondered about a similar thread with fewer restrictions.
But, I keep meaning to figure out the Outside and keep forgetting to so not sure about any of it. My visit there was quick and confusing.

 

[UncLeJunkLe]

I didn't know about the corporate ownership.
I still have a half pack of the yellow, left over from when i switched to vaping. Never had much interest in opening the pack again.

And you wouldn't want to. I used to smoke non-filters for a while and, because most people never smoked non-filters, a lot of the time the cigarettes would be stale. Stale cigarettes taste/feel 200% worse than the fresh ones - rip your throat to shreds. Got the the point where I would squeeze the pack before I paid for it to feel if it was crunchy - crunchy = stale. Apparently the cigarette company reps that went around to check such things didn't care much about checking cods on the the non-filters. This wide-spread staleness of non-filters is what got me into RYO.

 

[Zazie]

And you wouldn't want to. I used to smoke non-filters for a while and, because most people never smoked non-filters, a lot of the time the cigarettes would be stale. Stale cigarettes taste/feel 200% worse than the fresh ones - rip your throat to shreds. Got the the point where I would squeeze the pack before I paid for it to feel if it was crunchy - crunchy = stale. Apparently the cigarette company reps that went around to check such things didn't care much about checking cods on the the non-filters. This wide-spread staleness of non-filters is what got me into RYO.

You would've been better off buying filtered cigs and ripping off the filters.

 

[UncLeJunkLe]

You would've been better off buying filtered cigs and ripping off the filters.

I have done that many times. They tasted nothing like non-filters.

 

[CMD-Ky]

I agree, Z. The outside is fine so long as you walk the party line. I did not and I am now banned from the Outside. The powers that be decided that as far as I am concerned the Outside is marked as "Private"; I cannot enter. Questioning something such as the current trend to alter young children both chemically and surgically, whoa, a band of jackals will attack from all sides and it ain't purdy.

Oh Yeah. The OUTSIDE can be Totally Cordial.

That is, as long as one has the Same Views as the Cartel. But if you Differ on say... Gun Control or Abortion or the Death Penalty or Taxation or Health Care or Income Distribution or Social Programs or Education or ________ , then it Might Not be so Friendly.

The Long and the Short of it is If the OUTSIDE was a Good (or even Decent) place for people to Express their Views, and or to Discuss/Debate Diverse Topics, ECF members would Flock to it in Droves. And the Mods wouldn't use Moving Threads to it as a Threat.

To Me, the OUTSIDE is a Lot like any particular e-Cigarette. If someone Likes it, and gets Enjoyment Out of it, Hey that's Great. Go For It.

But the Rap the OUTSIDE has Is what it Is. And it Is for a Reason.

 

[AttyPops]

Vapers are, as CMD-Ky posted, "the flavor of the day". Red, Purple, Blue are all guilty of coming after us.

This. Not to get too "political" nor "OUTSIDE! ish" but this IS a political issue. It's unavoidable.

So my , and it's probably not even worth that much, is as follows:

The GOP is mouthing "working man" rhetoric, but in the reality of it all, they won't protect e-cigs well either. This legislation has been pending through both Dem and Rep administrations, and it's about big-corporate money. And the GOP sells out to them just as much as the Dems (who are supposed to be countering the corporate-controled big-business narrative).

So in this next administration, Biden will sell out to the corporate interests just as much as Trump failed to stop them. In the end, we're darned if we do, and darned if we don't.

And it's really quite sad. It's literally an Oligarchy, and all the politician's lips are moving....BT wins because it has the connections and can afford to win. It was over years ago, it's all just unfolding over time.

P.S.
I don't trust BT juice either, no idea what they'll put in their "tobacco product".

 

[CMD-Ky]

Trust no one who seeks to rule over you and re-elect no one.

This. Not to get too "political" nor "OUTSIDE! ish" but this IS a political issue. It's unavoidable.

So my , and it's probably not even worth that much, is as follows:

The GOP is mouthing "working man" rhetoric, but in the reality of it all, they won't protect e-cigs well either. This legislation has been pending through both Dem and Rep administrations, and it's about big-corporate money. And the GOP sells out to them just as much as the Dems (who are supposed to be countering the corporate-controled big-business narrative).

So in this next administration, Biden will sell out to the corporate interests just as much as Trump failed to stop them. In the end, we're darned if we do, and darned if we don't.

And it's really quite sad. It's literally an Oligarchy, and all the politician's lips are moving....BT wins because it has the connections and can afford to win. It was over years ago, it's all just unfolding over time.

P.S.
I don't trust BT juice either, no idea what they'll put in their "tobacco product".

 

[somdcomputerguy]

I still have a half pack of the yellow, left over from when i switched to vaping. Never had much interest in opening the pack again.

Heh. I was out of cigs and in the smoke shop to buy another pack. I ended up buying an eGo/CE4 starter kit instead and I haven't bought another pack for 6 years and 76 days. I'm 100% sure that it'll be more than another 6 years and 76 days before I buy another pack.

eta: Not that it matters probably, but I was smoking the Perique (black pack) variety.

 

[somdcomputerguy]

So in this next administration, Biden will sell out to the corporate interests just as much as Trump failed to stop them. In the end, we're darned if we do, and darned if we don't.

 

[UncLeJunkLe]

That big one looks like the vine weevil. I had to eradicate many of them this past summer. Had to go out after midnight to do the deed. Their larva are very fatal to many types plants.

Back to your regularly scheduled programming...

 

[Zazie]

I have done that many times. They tasted nothing like non-filters.

Huh. I wonder what was done that made them taste different from each other.