I won't say he "changed his mind" on that, (although some have - Dershowitz - Atlantic article 1989), but he had a different take on it in a subsequent case, as you may know.
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I won't say he "changed his mind" on that, (although some have - Dershowitz - Atlantic article 1989), but he had a different take on it in a subsequent case, as you may know.
Orwell's 1984 ??
It seems like some are using it as a manual, and, unlike most, some have actually read it!.. and are applying it! :- )
Idiots! It wasn't meant to be a how-to guide. It was meant as a warning. A warning very few are heeding.
On that topic.
I had a Hitler quote I downloaded a long time ago about using concern for the children as a manipulation tool. I couldn’t find it on my computer so I went googling and it was all over the internet. The interesting part is I came across one article that was a Mea Culpa from a Reason magazine contributor. He said he had quoted it in an article and found out later that it was a fake. Apparently it first appeared many years ago in a novel, as part of a fictional letter from a famous Rabbi.
Every other link I saw presented it as a real Hitler quote. Shows how skeptical you have to be about stuff you read on the internet.
Pity though. It was a perfect fit for the way politicians misuse concern for the kids as part of their strategy to take down vaping, and there’s nothing like a good Hitler quote to make a point.
“The state must declare the child to be the most precious treasure of the people. As long as the government is perceived as working for the benefit of the children, the people will happily endure almost any curtailment of liberty and almost any deprivation.”
― Adolf Hitler
Wherever it came from its pretty accurate and many don't even stop consider whether it actually WILL achieve the goal if implemented. Case in point flavoring in vaping. I don't know about the rest of you but I did just fine smoking Marlboro reds as a teen. I didn't need bubblegum cigarettes. Would I have rather had that? Maybe, but not having it didn't stop me from smoking at 15.
>>>>First, FDA should not authorize a PMTA that fails to show the product will not lead youth to start using tobacco products or to continue using tobacco products.<<<<
It is illegal to sell tobacco or e-cigarette products to those under 21. If someone sells it to them, it is a law enforcement problem.
FDA, contact the proper law enforcement departments.
Problem solved.
It is illegal to sell tobacco or e-cigarette products to those under 21. If someone sells it to them, it is a law enforcement problem.
FDA, contact the proper law enforcement departments.
Problem solved.
What boggles my mind is the ''child'' excuse.
In my honest opinion a ''child'' is not a dumb 15 year old that buys some THC vape pods from a sketchy guy parked in the back of a 7-11...then when they get sick they blame it on vaping.
Same goes if minors start vaping,i see that as the parent's fault,maybe some better education would make those kids not make bad choices.
Not saying vaping is bad but if you're a parent and your kid is 14 and starts vaping maybe it's time to stop playing golf and watching netflix and time to do some proper parenting.
Maybe some fines or even obligatory mandated parenting classes taught by professionals would put those parents in the right mindset,you know if you have kids you have a responsibility...they aren't a fashion accessory.
Having kids is like getting a face tattoo...gotta be fully committed.
Just sayin'
In my honest opinion a ''child'' is not a dumb 15 year old that buys some THC vape pods from a sketchy guy parked in the back of a 7-11...then when they get sick they blame it on vaping.
Same goes if minors start vaping,i see that as the parent's fault,maybe some better education would make those kids not make bad choices.
Not saying vaping is bad but if you're a parent and your kid is 14 and starts vaping maybe it's time to stop playing golf and watching netflix and time to do some proper parenting.
Maybe some fines or even obligatory mandated parenting classes taught by professionals would put those parents in the right mindset,you know if you have kids you have a responsibility...they aren't a fashion accessory.
Having kids is like getting a face tattoo...gotta be fully committed.
Just sayin'
The way I see this debate over "teen use": Flavors are irrelevant. What is relevant is enforcing the law. Same with alcohol. You can't walk into a liquor store and purchase a bottle of vodka if you're under 21 (most states). The solution isn't to make flavored vodka illegal. The solution is to go after the one selling to those underage.
I know many people have quit smoking because of e-cigarettes. Although I am not one of them. I quit smoking in 1987. I vape because I enjoy it. At my age, I think I am entitled to my guilty pleasures and they are none of anyone's business.
But, getting back to the problem is many are trying to make a logical argument (e-cigarettes are a smoking cessation device) to people who stopped listening to logic decades ago. Mainly politicians like Durbin. I'm very sorry his father died of lung cancer. It's a horrible death.
Durbin's main beef with cigarettes (real ones, not e-cigarettes) is they target youth. How? There are no commercial ads on tv or radio. There are no ads in magazines. So how are they doing this targetting? Is there a hidden message ad on Nickelodeon? Same with e-cigarettes. How are manufacturers targetting teens? "Flavors" is a bull.... argument by people who can't come up with a real argument.
As to e-cigarettes, the solution to online sales is NOT to prevent the USPS from delivering them. The solution is for online vendors to institute a system like Net Nanny which is used by many "adult" sites. Or implement "adult signature required". B&M liquor stores require ID when selling alcohol. Require B&M e-cigarette stores to check ID. Although many B&M vaping stores are way ahead of that game. I don't know of any B&M vape store that doesn't check ID.
This entire debate got way out of hand. I know many see this as the end of the battle. Oh hell no. This is the beginning of the battle.
I know many people have quit smoking because of e-cigarettes. Although I am not one of them. I quit smoking in 1987. I vape because I enjoy it. At my age, I think I am entitled to my guilty pleasures and they are none of anyone's business.
But, getting back to the problem is many are trying to make a logical argument (e-cigarettes are a smoking cessation device) to people who stopped listening to logic decades ago. Mainly politicians like Durbin. I'm very sorry his father died of lung cancer. It's a horrible death.
Durbin's main beef with cigarettes (real ones, not e-cigarettes) is they target youth. How? There are no commercial ads on tv or radio. There are no ads in magazines. So how are they doing this targetting? Is there a hidden message ad on Nickelodeon? Same with e-cigarettes. How are manufacturers targetting teens? "Flavors" is a bull.... argument by people who can't come up with a real argument.
As to e-cigarettes, the solution to online sales is NOT to prevent the USPS from delivering them. The solution is for online vendors to institute a system like Net Nanny which is used by many "adult" sites. Or implement "adult signature required". B&M liquor stores require ID when selling alcohol. Require B&M e-cigarette stores to check ID. Although many B&M vaping stores are way ahead of that game. I don't know of any B&M vape store that doesn't check ID.
This entire debate got way out of hand. I know many see this as the end of the battle. Oh hell no. This is the beginning of the battle.
Interesting. I wonder if it was because it was juice and/or your state?
I ordered some mod kits from them on Dec 30, delivered Jan 4 via USPS Priority Mail - no signature needed.
When I order nic base from HeartlandVapes, it's always shipped UPS and it's always sent with signature required. Been like this since end of 2018.
I emailed heartland as to why this is, but they never got back to me. Could be that my area is deemed high risk (meaning, lots of porch pirates) and UPS requires signature?
Others here on ECF don't have to sign for their Heartlandvapes orders.
I emailed heartland as to why this is, but they never got back to me. Could be that my area is deemed high risk (meaning, lots of porch pirates) and UPS requires signature?
Others here on ECF don't have to sign for their Heartlandvapes orders.
I wonder how they're going to handle my "filters" from Fasttech?
Apparently, that's all I've been ordering for the past umpteenth years.
Apparently, that's all I've been ordering for the past umpteenth years.
I was about to reply, but @MacTechVpr got there first, and better than I could.
Sure, your points about private companies may be correct.
But, truly, they decide who or what to ban without any explicit rules. It's just what they decide when they decide it. They'll simply say that it violates their "policy" or however they refer to it. But, that "policy" was never laid out.
If it were just silly little ECF, banning or censoring silly me because I used a certain word. Not a big deal, though annoying.
But, we're talking about major communications vehicles which millions of us use. Frankly, I don't think they're philosophically exactly private companies. Yes, I understand that they are corporations subject to the regulations of the SEC and the laws governing corporate entities etc etc.
But, they're banning folks they disagree with politically.
It's very ominous.
Yup, but it's been shut down.You mean there's a place where you can gab to your heart's content without being worried about censorship?
A social media site has to have rules, otherwise it's a free-for-all. Anything goes--porn, foul language, death threats, doxing, etc. As long as everyone knows the rules and they are enforced fairly, few people will get upset. But celebrating social misbehavior by those with one political view, then banning the opposite political opinion for the same misbehavior comes across to a lot of folk as unfair and authoritarian.
They are experiencing DDOS attacks right now and ever since Jan 5, as have been other popular alt-tech sites (which isn't a coincidence
). For me they were down when you posted this but they are back up as of right now, however the CloudFlare took a while to give me access. 7 hours ago, owner posted "60 minutes reached out today, after what they did to ['deplorable' person's name removed] in October my response was: "Get lost, never contact me again."
Nope, the place I'm referencing is just overwhelmed with new users and much more traffic than ever before, and possibly DDOS attacks as well. They were de-platformed back in 2018 and learned a lot from that. One of the things they learned is that the only way you can be sure that a hosting company can't pull the rug out from under you is to self-host on your own hardware, but that also means that scaling up isn't just a matter of a few clicks like it would be if they were using a cloud host.
Now there was another somewhat similar place that did get shut down last weekend because they were cloud-hosted. Is it possible you're talking about that one?
One main 'charge', lately, has been "misinformation", much of which is gov't documented from FBI/Inspector General/Congressional committee testimony or outright confessions vs. a "high level WH anonymous source says...". The former is banned/deleted/cancelled, the latter allowed to stand.
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