Deeming Regulations have been released!!!!
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Just ordered more Z coils from Mt. Baker.
Just went to their site and noticed they now sell nicotine lozenges, but they're under the menu "tobacco free". Yet on one of the product descriptions...
I assume that the FDA has not deemed nicotine gum and lozenges as "tobacco product" even though they are made with the same tobacco-derived nic base that we use to vape?
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Just went to their site and noticed they now sell nicotine lozenges, but they're under the menu "tobacco free". Yet on one of the product descriptions...
I assume that the FDA has not deemed nicotine gum and lozenges as "tobacco product" even though they are made with the same tobacco-derived nic base that we use to vape?
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That is because lozenges are regulated as a pharmaceutical drug and e-liquid is not. Thanks to the Marlboro Act of 2009, vapers had a choice to make. Deem vapes as a pharmaceutical or a tobacco product. And if it was a pharmaceutical, it would have been locked into Big Pharma hands and we didn't want that. So we are stuck with being a tobacco product.
That is because lozenges are regulated as a pharmaceutical drug and e-liquid is not. Thanks to the Marlboro Act of 2009, vapers had a choice to make. Deem vapes as a pharmaceutical or a tobacco product. And if it was a pharmaceutical, it would have been locked into Big Pharma hands and we didn't want that. So we are stuck with being a tobacco product.
Seems to me that nicotine vape may be "better off" as a tobacco product (assuming we must choose one) because as a Pharma product it would probably have severely limited the the manufacturers to a handful of companies. If PMTA will end up being even a little "fair", we may have more and better selection of products than we would have as a pharma product. Just a guess. But this remains to be seen.
I got the same notice. For inventory, pricing, and shipping, Vapor Authority has been my go to vendor for a long time. I did add to my own inventory.
I haven't checked Mt Baker's price, but Kanger Wholesale USA (AKA LightFire Distributon) sells the 0.8ohms and 1.6ohms for $6.10/box + S/H if you or anyone else needs some more. The 0.5ohm are $9.73/box. They have 193 boxes of 0.5, 111 boxes of 0.8, and 193 boxes of 1.6 in stock. You need to sign up for an account, and then the prices show up sitewide. Get FREE S/H with a $75 or more order total. They've also got some really good deals in their Vape Deals section. Many of us have stocked up on our Z-Coils from them. They ship really fast, too!
Innokin Zenith Replacement Coil - 5PK
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Dang you JC, every time you mention these coils I 'just have to' buy some more. So there's 150 less than there were this mornings in stock.
It's my pleasure to help you part with some more of your $$.
Like you, I've continued to increase my stash of Z-coils with Kanger Wholesale's help over the last 6-8 months at least. Had more than enough before that, but I figured...while they've got 'em...and I could still get 'em shipped to me...well you know how that goes....
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I'm very confused by the emails I am receiving from vendors. Could someone post the short version? Like if we can still by unflavored Juice online? And who will ship it, with an adult to sign for it? I do understand the tax part. I think that was inevitable.
The vape mail ban has not gone into effect yet. As far as having to sign for shipments, that would depend on your state regulations. Also, some vendors might choose to send with signature required for their own reasons.
These are confusing times. Some vendors, like my vendor of almost 9 years, will not be submitting a PMTA.
Their idea is to sell flavor kits in the US. That would be bottles of flavors, nicotine, and PG/VG mix. Then you mix it all together when you get the package.
They will continue to sell the full product overseas.
How this gets around the FDA in the US is beyond me.
I'm taking a "wait and see" attitude. I know many think this is the vape apocalypse. I don't. I think there is some serious government overreach. I think some enterprising vaping lawyers just may be looking for a "personal freedom" case. Plus, why are the politicians so up in arms about "teen vaping". The legal age to purchase vape products is 21. I believe a 21 year old is out of the teen years. If someone underage is purchasing vape products, the government's emphasis should be on law enforcement.
However, here we are. I've prepared for the "bad times" by stocking up on RTA's, DIY recipes, my favorite vape juices, and whatever other hardware I use.
Edited to add: >>>>Like if we can still by unflavored Juice online?<<<<
Of all the DIY's to make, this is the easiest. Assuming no nic, just buy bottles of PG/VG, mix them to your favorite ratio, and voila. If you need nic, get it now.
"I heard they tried the same thing with SMM, too, but they couldn't fit any cotton past his lips."
I'm very chatty today. Please bear with me.
This story caught my eye. It's all about the "law of unintended consequences". Since it's been 88 years since Prohibition was lifted, many have no memory of what really happened. People didn't stop drinking alcohol. They went underground. The "law of unintended consequences" in full view.
Anyway, this story is relevant to what is happening today and will happen in all the "for the children" states who think they have a winning strategy.
Massachusetts Flavored Tobacco Ban Has Severe Impact on Tax Revenue
This story caught my eye. It's all about the "law of unintended consequences". Since it's been 88 years since Prohibition was lifted, many have no memory of what really happened. People didn't stop drinking alcohol. They went underground. The "law of unintended consequences" in full view.
Anyway, this story is relevant to what is happening today and will happen in all the "for the children" states who think they have a winning strategy.
Massachusetts Flavored Tobacco Ban Has Severe Impact on Tax Revenue
I'm in the middle of a historical documentary on the war against organized labor {unions}
Plutocracy IV: Gangsters for Capitalism
Plutocracy IV: Gangsters for Capitalism - Top Documentary Films
And in the middle of it is a section on PROHIBITION
- fascinating how the WCTU {Women's Christian Temperance Union} and like minded groups created the modern day Underworld caused by Prohibition and "How the way to Hell is paved with good intentions" - Just like the "tobacco nazis" of today.
But we have an additional problem, and I know I keep bringing this up - There is a certain multi billionaire media magnate who is one of the richest people in the World, who hates tobacco and has spent over a billion dollars anti-tobacco and over 150 million against vaping!!!
Now billing himself as a Democrat and actually having tried to buy the Democratic nomination for President,
we must wonder how many politicians are in his pocket? - And how will they be coerced into voting when they finally decide to turn vaping into an illegal act???
Remember there is no limit to 'control freak' debauchery {I believd they get off on their sickness}.
Like the aforementioned billionaire who also spends lavishly on anti-gun legislation, while he himself is protected by a well armed militia of bodyguards !!!
Only by shinning the light on the rats are we going to stop this. Keep up the information campaign to all and every politician of all parties - If they see enough people care, they might care - And don't forget to sign all those online petitions that are sent to the politicians.
Bloomberg is a force only if he pays for the things other people want him to pay for.
He lost big in NYC when he was NYC mayor. Specifically, over cup sizes.
For all the money he spent for the Democratic nomination, I think he ended up with less than 10 delegates. Whatever he ws selling, no one bought it.
If states lose billions in tax revenue because of unintended consequences, unless Bloomberg makes up the difference, he's no longer a factor.
He lost big in NYC when he was NYC mayor. Specifically, over cup sizes.
For all the money he spent for the Democratic nomination, I think he ended up with less than 10 delegates. Whatever he ws selling, no one bought it.
If states lose billions in tax revenue because of unintended consequences, unless Bloomberg makes up the difference, he's no longer a factor.
"We have to save the CHILDREN" is the favorite excuse of politicians.
We needn't point out, of course, that "teen" includes eighteen & nineteen, who may perform in adult films but may not have an e-cigarette after.
Just as a point of information, the "nazis" of yesteryear, i.e. Hitler's government, pursued tobacco harm reduction with a campaign to educate people about the risks. They never used dishonest manipulation, underhanded legislative tactics, Draconian regulations, oppressive taxation, or deliberate misinformation against tobacco like what's being used today against vaping. (Though one exception is that women were barred from purchasing cigarettes for a time, which i'd consider extreme & unreasonable regulation.) Kind of makes you think. "Tobacco totalitarians" might be a more accurate term (alliterative, too
).'cept a lot of damage will be (is being) done before that comes to pass.
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I heard one of those presidential historian types talking about billionaires on TV. He said people on the right hear big money and they think Bloomie or Soros, people on the left think Kochs or that frog faced casino guy who just died. As a result they all miss the point. They see the problem as rich people on the other side corrupting the system rather than money corrupting the system.
Some of them aren't so bad. Gates seems to be doing useful stuff.
Some of them aren't so bad. Gates seems to be doing useful stuff.
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