Deeming Regulations have been released!!!!

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But I'm sure they didn't just pull the idea out of the air. I wish them a ton of luck.

Don't be so sure about that. From articles I've read about vape shops' legal problems over the past few years, it's become clear to me that a lot of these companies lack proper tobacco legal counsel, if any at all. This is the wrong business to be in without a proper attorney well-versed in tobacco laws, including vape, and a general business attorney won't cut it.
 
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Perhaps.
Ignorance can be eliminated with information. Foolishness or immorality, not so much.

Some people prefer to remain ignorant,they have no desire to learn or evolve...therein lies the problem.

Me on the other hand i have an inquisitive mind,even with small things like an electrician coming home,or maybe a plumber or even when the elevator repair guy comes over to my apartment building for some maintenance.

I hover just like an helicopter and within reason i pester them with questions,am i plumber,electrician or elevator repairman? can i plumb,fix electrical stuff or repair elevators?

Nope but i ask because i like to know how things work and i like learning new things.

I just wish that some of the people that govern in this world of ours had the same approach,just sayin'
 

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I thought that all accessories for any product that wasn't on the market before Feb 15, 2007 was considered tobacco product, but on the FDA warning letter for Vape Dudes it says...

"Please be aware that, effective August 8, 2016, FDA deemed additional products meeting the definition of a tobacco product, except accessories to these newly deemed products, to be subject to regulation under the FD&C Act."

Am I misunderstanding this?

I believe the FDA is just making a Distinction between a Tobacco "Accessory" and a "Tobacco Product".

And No... all Accessories after the Predicate Date are Not "Tobacco Products".

III. DEFINITIONS

For the purposes of this guidance, FDA intends to use the following definitions:

Accessory means any product that is intended or reasonably expected to be used with or for the human consumption of a tobacco product; does not contain tobacco and is not made or derived from tobacco; and meets either of the following:

(1) Is not intended or reasonably expected to affect or alter the performance, composition, constituents, or characteristics of a tobacco product; or

(2) Is intended or reasonably expected to affect or maintain the performance, composition, constituents, or characteristics of a tobacco product but

(i) Solely controls moisture and/or temperature of a stored tobacco product; or

(ii) Solely provides an external heat source to initiate but not maintain combustion of a tobacco product.

(21 CFR 1100.3)

“Composition,” as used in this definition, means the manner in which the materials, including, for example, ingredients, additives, and biological organisms (e.g., micro-organisms added for fermentation in smokeless products), are arranged and integrated.

Examples of objects used with ENDS (including e-cigarettes) that would likely be considered accessories include screwdrivers and lanyards.

https://www.fda.gov/media/102420/download
 

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I have been away for a while, and recently I came across an email from a vendor saying to stock up due to vape mail ban.....So the first thing I did was go to ECF and then googled it to confirm it. I am so upset about this as I’m sure along with every person who vapes or supports vaping in the world. I instantly got a wave of panic and anxiousness. I got some stuff I needed, but not everything. I have 3 mods that are over a year old, and 1 mechanical mod I have had since 2013. I really hate this!
 
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I am so wigged! I wanted to get more nicotine and hazelnut, but I was only given so much money to spend

It's too late now but you should have forgone the PG, VG and probably even the flavoring because as long as you buy those from the many non-vape retailers out there, there no way they can ban them selling or shipping those things.

Even though it's old gear, you do at least have hardware. From this point forward, focus on nic. That's my recommendation. Vaping Community e-liquid Calculator - Vapocalypse Calculator
 

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It's too late now but you should have forgone the PG, VG and probably even the flavoring because as long as you buy those from the many non-vape retailers out there, there no way they can ban them selling or shipping those things.

Even though it's old gear, you do at least have hardware. From this point forward, focus on nic. That's my recommendation. Vaping Community e-liquid Calculator - Vapocalypse Calculator

Thanks for that calculator site! So according to it I will get 4 years out of 500ml. That makes me feel a little better.
I should have held on the Vg and pg and found me an extra mod or extra bottle of nicotine. I paid $29.99 for the VG and I want to say 10-13$ for the PG. I went with the ares 2 rda because the rbas for my Kanger tanks keep failing. One of the posts start sliding back and forth and even after tightening it they never seem to work correctly again. I keep getting a weird burnt metal taste and coil ohms will fluctuate.
 

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One of the posts start sliding back and forth and even after tightening it they never seem to work correctly again. I keep getting a weird burnt metal taste and coil ohms will fluctuate.

If you like the Kanger tanks with the RBAs, those RBAs are still pretty widely available. You just have to watch what you're buying because some vendors are selling the 1st version without the wick holes on the side of the chamber. The RBA Plus is the one with the wick holes on the side of the chamber.

I'll PM you a list of US and Chinese vendors I have bookmarked that have it in stock if you like. Let me know.
 

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If you like the Kanger tanks with the RBAs, those RBAs are still pretty widely available. You just have to watch what you're buying because some vendors are selling the 1st version without the wick holes on the side of the chamber. The RBA Plus is the one with the wick holes on the side of the chamber.

I'll PM you a list of US and Chinese vendors I have bookmarked that have it in stock if you like. Let me know.

I would really appreciate that! Thank you! I am getting the rba plus ones.
 

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I would really appreciate that! Thank you! I am getting the rba plus ones.
little bit and I'll send you a lit. Want to make sure they actually have in stock because for all I know they have sold out. The reason why they are still being made is because people are using them in a certain popular AIO device.
 

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OK, gimme a

little bit and I'll send you a lit. Want to make sure they actually have in stock because for all I know they have sold out. The reason why they are still being made is because people are using them in a certain popular AIO device.

Ok! Thanks! Yea the place I buy them from sells genuine stuff and they are sold out. They also have great pricing. I don’t know when I can get them but it will be nice to have options!
 

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Maybe my memory has been slipping but I do not recall much discussion in this thread about a shipping ban. And as it turns out, it's the next thing to a knockout punch. What good is a PMTA approval?

That's certainly true for online-only shops. I'd say a knockout punch would be an understatement in their eyes.
 

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    Thanks for that calculator site! So according to it I will get 4 years out of 500ml. That makes me feel a little better.
    I should have held on the Vg and pg and found me an extra mod or extra bottle of nicotine. I paid $29.99 for the VG and I want to say 10-13$ for the PG. I went with the ares 2 rda because the rbas for my Kanger tanks keep failing. One of the posts start sliding back and forth and even after tightening it they never seem to work correctly again. I keep getting a weird burnt metal taste and coil ohms will fluctuate.

    Do you ever use any stock kanger coils? I have a bunch of the SSOC Clapton coils. I can send you some if you want to try them. I know the rba is more economical but I'm offering these for free. If you want to try them or know you like them then send me a pm.
     

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    Deeming Regulations? PMTA? Shipping bans? What's next?
    but not outright Prohibition, yet?

    And you thought the control freak bureaucrats were stupid and evil?

    Evil maybe, but their not stupid - A few of them even learn from History and the sordid bloody nightmare caused by the alcohol Prohibition of a hundred years ago.

    Make no mistake about it they are out to destroy vaping completely - Any product that makes tobacco safer is automatically on the hit list. But they don't want to do it like they did with alcohol where the rebellion against them was fast and furious.

    So they are using Death by a thousand cuts and will continue until no one wants to sell a vape product legally.

    And the key word here is legally.

    Have faith - there will be a new birth of organized crime and corruption as traditional mobsters and assorted outlaw motorcycle gangs, etc. begin to see their government giving them a new lease on life.

    So keep the faith, don't be a sore loser like our former chief executive claiming election fraud
    - How can a government that is itself completely corrupt engage in fraud ?????
     
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