Deeming Regulations have been released!!!!

[englishmick]

PS. If anyone else decides to get the battery tester, they only have 10 left. And I put it in my cart and got distracted, left it sitting in my cart. A few minutes later I got an email offering me 15% off my order. Took some of the sting out of the expensive shipping.

 

[CAAB]

Currently I throw batteries out after 3 years.

As long as the wraps are in pristine condition, there is no physical damage to the battery, and as long as you don't find you're getting low battery warnings too early for your liking, you can keep using them, according to @Mooch . He says that there is no specific number of months/years your battery will last. It's just about if it holds a charge long enough for your liking.

When should you replace a battery? | E-Cigarette Forum

Another instructive video:

One thing he mentioned on some of his videos though if a battery voltage drops to 2.5 volts or below, then he recommends replacing them. At 2.5 volts and lower, a battery starts to damage itself and can cause an internal short circuit. He mentions that if you go to 2.5 volts very briefly and recharge it slowly, that's fine. But if say you don't know how long it's been at 2.5 volts, you should just replace it.

Regarding the charger you referenced, I would be curious if it measures DC or AC internal resistance. DC internal resistance is a more useful measurement for vaping, whereas AC internal resistance tends to be what devices typically measure. As for the max current it displays for a given battery, I would wonder how they come to that number. I know Mooch runs a number of tests while monitoring battery temperature to find a CDR. It seems like it's an involved process.

The cheapest equipment I was looking at for determining the CDR and DCIR ran several hundred dollars. Maybe if we start having fewer options for 18650 or 21700 or we have to start ripping open power packs for batteries, I will invest in the equipment to run my own tests, but until then, I am just going to rely on Mooch's battery charts and follow his general advice on when to replace a battery.

One thing I thought interesting is that you can become a Patron to Mooch through a membership and ask battery related questions and request testing: Battery Mooch is creating battery and device tests | Patreon

Anyway, that was the result of my recent research. Just pay Mooch to do it, LOL.

 

[Ceejay0875]

Email from River Supply (formerly Nicotine River):

IMPORTANT NOTICE

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The River Supply Co. team is working tirelessly to meet the requirements and deadlines for all interstate and federal regulations. Your cooperation in providing this information to us in a timely manner is greatly appreciated.

Thank you for your continued support.

 

[thanswr1]

Here's the what I cannot wrap my head around.

OTOH, to be able to sell your product, the FDA requires a vendor to file a PMTA. They aren't cheap and many have already filed.

OTOH, Congress took away the business opportunities with the USPS/PACT stupidity.

Do the vendors who tried to play by the FDA rules recoup the money they spent to file a PMTA to stay in business? A PMTA can cost upwards of $100,000.

I think the government should be held accountable due to their double dealing and "thumbing their nose" at the vape supply vendors.

Where are the lawsuits?

 

[Bronze]

Here's the what I cannot wrap my head around.

OTOH, to be able to sell your product, the FDA requires a vendor to file a PMTA. They aren't cheap and many have already filed.

OTOH, Congress took away the business opportunities with the USPS/PACT stupidity.

Do the vendors who tried to play by the FDA rules recoup the money they spent to file a PMTA to stay in business? A PMTA can cost upwards of $100,000.

I think the government should be held accountable due to their double dealing and "thumbing their nose" at the vape supply vendors.

Where are the lawsuits?

This is what I said some weeks back. Many of those who spent the time and money to file PMTAs got screwed. Yes, technically they can still sell from a retail shop but, as we have seen, many online sellers have thrown in the towel. Furthermore, their customer reach has been severely limited. As far as I'm concerned, our politicians are crooks and should give the option to refund the PMTA fees and if not they should be thrown in the slammer. But, how often do we ever see that?

 

[thanswr1]

Five Pawns just threw in the towel. So did Slim's E-Juice. Vape Dudes is trying to find a way to keep their international business profitable while attempting to find a way to keep their domestic business open.

If you look a the PMTA list, the number of vendors who have filed has remained the same. No increase since Congress ruined their businesses.

This is the classic case of government overreach. Not once, but twice.

Simply put, this is bull.....

If I was one of those vendors who took the time, trouble and expense of filing a PMTA only to have another branch of government ruin my business, I'd file a lawsuit.

 

[MikeE3]

Hope it's good, I just ordered one. I always wanted a battery tester but all the ones I've seen before were expensive upmarket chargers with testing as a feature. This is basically just a tester. Currently I throw batteries out after 3 years. Maybe some of them are still good, maybe some I should have got rid of sooner. With multiple mods going I have no way of figuring out when they don't last as long as they should. Maybe just test them all every 3 months or whatever.

Had to pay $10 for adult sig delivery. First time I've had to do that. Hopefully the last since I finished stocking up some time back.

Well I'm still on the fence about getting one. Asmodus has 7 left. Most everything I've read talks about expensive equipment for this type of testing, so I'm not sure what I'm getting with an inexpensive one and even Asmodus said this on one of their youtube reviews. (Caps are theirs) "THIS DEVICE DOES NOT GIVE 100% ACCURATE READINGS THIS IS MEANT TO GIVE A GENERAL IDEA OF WHERE YOUR BATTERIES ARE IN THIER LIFE."

So I suppose if you're just monitoring your batteries over time, you'll at least see if they are degrading since the last measurement taken, even if the readings aren't 100% accurate.

 

[UncLeJunkLe]

Asmodus said this on one of their youtube reviews. (Caps are theirs) "THIS DEVICE DOES NOT GIVE 100% ACCURATE READINGS THIS IS MEANT TO GIVE A GENERAL IDEA OF WHERE YOUR BATTERIES ARE IN THIER LIFE."

Well in that case it may be a better deal to just buy an Opus BT-C3100 4-bay charger if you want an inexpensive and not-so-accurate testing device, especially if you can get it on sale. At least you have a 4-bay charger that can fit 21700s. Bought mine for $30 on sale from 18650batterystore.

 

[MacTechVpr]

Five Pawns just threw in the towel. So did Slim's E-Juice. Vape Dudes is trying to find a way to keep their international business profitable while attempting to find a way to keep their domestic business open.

If you look a the PMTA list, the number of vendors who have filed has remained the same. No increase since Congress ruined their businesses.

This is the classic case of government overreach. Not once, but twice.

Simply put, this is bull.....

If I was one of those vendors who took the time, trouble and expense of filing a PMTA only to have another branch of government ruin my business, I'd file a lawsuit.

We lost long ago as we succumbed to the premises and arguments that gov would make a better guardian for the health of our children. All that followed was the paperwork — the laws, rules and judgments that would strip us all of the right to make our own health decisions. Without consent we are hobbled by the reassuring presumptions of those who guard the appearance of success rather than the supposed beneficiaries of their care.

Good luck all.

 

[CMD-Ky]

We lost long ago as we succumbed to the premises and arguments that gov would make a better guardian for the health of our children. All that followed was the paperwork — the laws, rules and judgments that would strip us all of the right to make our own health decisions. Without consent we are hobbled by the reassuring presumptions of those who guard the appearance of success rather than the supposed beneficiaries of their care.

Good luck all.

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Each freedom allowed to be taken in the name of safety and security is another toll from the death bell of self-governance.

 

[UncLeJunkLe]

Each freedom allowed to be taken in the name of safety and security is another toll from the death bell of self-governance.

And there is a reason why it happens time and time again, not able to be discussed on most surface web discussion sites.

 

[Kent C]

And there is a reason why it happens time and time again, not able to be discussed on most surface web discussion sites.

Lord Acton said it best

 

[CAAB]

So I suppose if you're just monitoring your batteries over time, you'll at least see if they are degrading since the last measurement taken, even if the readings aren't 100% accurate.

Well in that case it may be a better deal to just buy an Opus BT-C3100 4-bay charger if you want an inexpensive and not-so-accurate testing device, especially if you can get it on sale. At least you have a 4-charger that can fit 21700s. Bought mine for $30 on sale from 18650batterystore.

I have the Opus BT-C3100 as well. It's good at reading voltage and capacity. So I can pop in a new battery to get a baseline reading and then monitor the capacity change over time, or I can determine if the battery is not charging up to 4.2 volts at some point or has gone to 2.5 volts or below.

The internal resistance feature of the BT-C3100 is essentially useless I have found. I put in the same battery 10 times and get 10 different readings.

 

[UncLeJunkLe]

The internal resistance feature of the BT-C3100 is essentially useless I have found.

Yes that feature is well known to be useless. I have seen a post on forum, probably a flashlight forum, where someone showed he made a modification to make it work better. Involves essentially soldering a wire jumper for each bay. Not sure if it's worth it or not.

 

[Rossum]

Says, @Rossum ... have you seen this batt tester from ASMODUS? If so, do you have any opinions about it. I've only been able to find 'reviews' that show it's features and how it works ... not how 'good' it is or isn't.

One thing I didn't particularly like was that it seemed to have only a 2amp charge capability. I suppose if you only use it to test a battery, a 2amp charge every once in a while isn't too bad on the batt. But I wouldn't want to regularly charge my batts at 2 amps.

asMODus Battery Analyzer & Charger D500-TY (PROMO).

(I have found it for less at other sites)

No, I don't really have an opinion. A cursory search didn't turn up any technical specs either.

 

[Rossum]

If I was one of those vendors who took the time, trouble and expense of filing a PMTA only to have another branch of government ruin my business, I'd file a lawsuit.

Lawsuits are expensive. If a business has already been ruined, it might be difficult to come up with the cash necessary to pursue this in the courts.

 

[somdcomputerguy]

Lawsuits are expensive. If a business has already been ruined, it might be difficult to come up with the cash necessary to pursue this in the courts.

Which is what they hope for..

 

[Territoo]

Which is what they hope for..

Unless you find some bright eyed, young lawyer who'll do it on contingency.

 

[UncLeJunkLe]

If I was one of those vendors who took the time, trouble and expense of filing a PMTA only to have another branch of government ruin my business, I'd file a lawsuit.

IMHO, a lawsuit like this would require a firm well-versed in tobacco & vape, like Keller & Heckman, for any chance at success. Not cheap.

 

[YoursTruli]

Lawsuits are expensive. If a business has already been ruined, it might be difficult to come up with the cash necessary to pursue this in the courts.

Exactly

Take large amounts of their money - PMTA
+
Take away their ability to make money - shipping ban
=
No money to fight back (or to operate their business

Putting vape shops out of business was/is the goal.
Soon the only sellers of vaping products will be BT at every local gas station and convenient store right next to the cigarettes which government can control regulate and tax the living hell out of too. The perfect long standing money flow relationship the vaping industry dared to disrupt.
And Americans who see the high price of vaping will quit and go back to smoking because it's cheaper or never vape and just start smoking... business, money flow as usual.
And let's not forget BP or special interest "healthcare" organizations who saw a threat to their money flow with a healthier population or less BT kickbacks...
This is the epitome of It's all about the money.