E2 Cartomizer Technical Discussion

[zoiDman]

Well, I think the PTB is more like a wicking enhancer than a filler, and since adding the material(filler) should have the same effect its good unless it changes the taste properties of the liquid.
They should include instructions on the removal of the material so that someone not familiar with our discussions is aware of its presence and that it can be removed to become a "NO COTTON/FILLER INSIDE" C-E2, or stick with just adding it to the packages and the customer can decide whether to add it or not.
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Agreed, as long as it doesn't effect the juice I see only upsides to the filler.

A card with instructions on how to remove it would be nice. But you have to remember, we are dealing with people who took 4 revisions to say that they removed the "Mystery" fluid from the wicks and send out cartos with Hot Glue in them.

An instruction card written by RS/MiT might be fun to read thou. I like the way they write things.

... Zoid, I'm sorry man, these guys will not do what's right. Don't get your hopes up. They are scumbags.

Well then they had their chance and I will make it my life mission to tell every single person on this board what crappy customer service I recieved from RS/MiT.

But I have to give them a chance first. And I don't want to contact them now because I have No Idea what they would send me. Rev"22/7" with Fried Bat filler and Silly Putty instead of Hot Glue?

This is what i would like to know, does filler kill the taste of juice or does the juice get killed in old cartos with filler becuase the coil is touching the filler.

I never though it was the filler that killed the taste in a regular carto. I allways thought it was the vapor going thru the filler that made the taste weaker.

What makes the E2 a good design it the vapor goes directly from the atomizer wire into your mouth. Just like the PTB didn't ruin the taste in an E2, the right "poly" shouldn't either.

Just have to wait and see when the R4's are out and people know for sure that they have R4's to tell.

 

[arjay55]

With so many variations of the E2 - Ce2 I wonder how they have a patent pending. Surely the original E2-r1 is a significantly different animal than the Ce2-r4 (whatever that build is today)?

Isn't that some kind of oxymoron - a Chinese company enforcing a patent.

Of course now the big question is what is the material the 'non filler-filler' is made of, it's burn and heat properties, it's reaction to e-juice (leaching/bleach etc) and of course if what material is used today is the same as next week or next month.

Stay seated folks! This ride is not over yet. (Final revision my ....!!!!!)

arjay

 

[badkolo]

if the R4 works they need to stop it there, make only the R4 and make them all the same. people can remove the filler unless they decide to add it to the package and let the users do it themselves.

Then since all they will make is the new R4(if it works as it should) they should then(now) take care of the ones that have major issues, its only like 3 people or 4 that have recieved the bad ones(R3)

 

[zoiDman]

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Of course now the big question is what is the material the 'non filler-filler' is made of, it's burn and heat properties, it's reaction to e-juice (leaching/bleach etc) and of course if what material is used today is the same as next week or next month.

Stay seated folks! This ride is not over yet. (Final revision my ....!!!!!)

arjay

This is my biggest concern in an unregulated market like this.

Thermal break down is somewhat simple to guesstimate. Do a dry burn which would be the hotest the carto could get and then check the filler for signs of damage.

But Chemical reduction is an entire other animal. I don't have a good way to test it without paying hundreds of dollars to a lab.

So say Bad is nice enough to send me a couple R4's and I have the filler tested by a lab. The report comes back completely inert. Great. But who's to say that if I buy some R4's that they might have changed the filler material three times since I placed the order?

If the cartos had a "SGS" logo on the box I would feel a little better. But they don't. And RS/MiT seems to put random items in boxes anyway. I get the impression that RS is owned and opperated by some individuals who have little experience in the manufacturing field.


BTW - I have never heard of anyone testing PTB material for chemical stability. PTB material could be a non-stable material in the chemical cocktail that is found in most flavored and colored e-Juice.

 

[Big Daddy]

For the last two days I've been vaping these new R3.5 or R4 ??? CE2 510XL , CE2 808D-1XL with poly fill , some with poly removed , some with poly fill removed and PTB Mod added . The ones with the poly and without seem to work and taste the same (wicking does not keep up with my vaping pace), Poly fill removed and Bad's long tail PTB Mod added works and taste much better . I also have used all the other versions of this carto and just about every other carto out there . IMO the PTB long tail mod works the best . I also got in this order CE2 510's (no poly fill in them) and they do not wick fast enough , also received my warranty CE1 808D-1 carto's with this order and they wick and work better than the new CE2 510's . I don't know if any of these have the glue in them as I have not bisected any of them yet but it does feel kind of springy when I poke down to the bottom .

 

[badkolo]

For the last two days I've been vaping these new R3.5 or R4 ??? CE2 510XL , CE2 808D-1XL with poly fill , some with poly removed , some with poly fill removed and PTB Mod added . The ones with the poly and without seem to work and taste the same (wicking does not keep up with my vaping pace), Poly fill removed and Bad's long tail PTB Mod added works and taste much better . I also have used all the other versions of this carto and just about every other carto out there . IMO the PTB long tail mod works the best . I also got in this order CE2 510's (no poly fill in them) and they do not wick fast enough , also received my warranty CE1 808D-1 carto's with this order and they wick and work better than the new CE2 510's . I don't know if any of these have the glue in them as I have not bisected any of them yet but it does feel kind of springy when I poke down to the bottom .

wierd, i have the ce1 old filler xl and they dont produce much vapor at all.

 

[BanjoMan]

Hey I see Martinez is here lurking. Maybe he can comment and explain why e-liquid.cn is shipping bad product and giving people the run-around getting it replaced.

 

[br5495]

Hey I see Martinez is here lurking. Maybe he can comment and explain why e-liquid.cn is shipping bad product and giving people the run-around getting it replaced.

With zero posts, I think he can only post in the New Members section.

 

[zoiDman]

With zero posts, I think he can only post in the New Members section.

I you were Martinez, would you jump into a thread like this? What with so many members holding carto that leaked, didn't work well out of the box, damage threads and Hot Glue seals?

 

[br5495]

I you were Martinez, would you jump into a thread like this? What with so many members holding carto that leaked, didn't work well out of the box, damage threads and Hot Glue seals?

If he did, it would probably swamp the web site, heheh. I'm the old man here Martinez, and am allowed to pick at you kids.

 

[zoiDman]

Hey I see Martinez is here lurking. Maybe he can comment and explain why e-liquid.cn is shipping bad product and giving people the run-around getting it replaced.

Maybe what would be a viable solution to all the people who have gotten hosed with unusable cartos would be for RS to send Badkolo 400 hundred or so R4 cartos, when the R4 are Ready, and then have Bad dole out cartos to members as replacements and for testing.

 

[cozzicon]

I you were Martinez, would you jump into a thread like this? What with so many members holding carto that leaked, didn't work well out of the box, damage threads and Hot Glue seals?

Yea I would.

Because if I was trying to do this I would be making a great cartomizer for *me* because I want a great cartomizer.

As far as martinez... who knows.

 

[v1John]

any filler that exceeds the size of 2 of the Bad ptb wick tails will actually make the problem worse by trying to pull liquid AWAY from the coil.

That was the point of
A) removing the bad original wick outside of the cup, and
B) adding Lipton P material NOT to exceed the 2 small strips


this may or may not be evident initially, but once you vape a little more than half of the carto, which shouldn't take long, on the puny 35mm cartos, you may notice it more

then once again, near the end, liquid WILL remain trapped in the superfluous wick away from the coil
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we may need a 60mm double-XL carto (XXL)

 

[dynasty]

so has there been any attempt by them to resolve the hot glue problem yet?? cuz im not gonna support a company in any way shape or form that does not try to fix a problem that is 100% their fault

 

[v1John]

Hey I see Martinez is here lurking. Maybe he can comment and explain why e-liquid.cn is shipping bad product and giving people the run-around getting it replaced.

Without official representation here at ECF like the other Chinese ecig distributors, it's hard to tell if it's even the real Martinez McCoy.

 

[v1John]

so has there been any attempt by them to resolve the hot glue problem yet?? cuz im not gonna support a company in any way shape or form that does not try to fix a problem that is 100% their fault

Yes, there were attempts, and it was to have been fixed when I got my boxes with a sticker that says June 16 2010, or something like that

there was also an understanding at ECF that the issues pertaining to shipping the wrong cartos and inconsistencies had been ALREADY addressed

this is thought to have been addressed at the CEO executive level

 

[v1John]

Originally Posted by badkolo
i would suggest to let him know that. cause they using that filler, i suggested to just add them to the package and let people decide if they want ot use it.
that way if someone feels its not wicking enough they can cut off a peace and place it behind the slits on thier own.

Will do....

I would wait

I mean why not wait and first of all let them stabilize on the filler cloth meterial first

What if they just ordered a ton of Lipton cloth?

Maybe they need to get the seamstresses to sew them into small rings that can be replaced easily.

 

[dynasty]

well specifically nicotimes. does he have new e2s on the way right now? did they get ahold of him, and immediately send new quality replacement e2s and tell him just to throw out their garbage. maybe even throw in 30 extra cartos for the inconvenience

 

[zoiDman]

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we may need a 60mm double-XL carto (XXL)

Man, next time you order a Pizza, tell them to hold the Shrooooms.

so has there been any attempt by them to resolve the hot glue problem yet?? cuz im not gonna support a company in any way shape or form that does not try to fix a problem that is 100% their fault

Isn't this what drives you crazy. It's like we have to post problems here in this thread and then have a "third" party give us answers. I don't know what to believe anymore?

Without official representation here at ECF like the other Chinese ecig distributors, it's hard to tell if it's even the real Martinez McCoy.

The real McCoy? Tell me you didn't say that.

Well if you look at the profile of "Martenez", he doesn't look like your run-of-the-mill joe you see on the ECF.

 

[badkolo]

Yeah i think nicotime has been taking cared of. I hope it was a full refund or exchange.