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This works so well that I feel we need to figure out what the cause is that makes this work, how can this type of mod can be used in the actual design, whatever is going on here is exactly what needs to be solved.

this wicks like nothing before it, I was overly excited so i decided to use it heavily and not refill it until it was needed and all i can say this simple little thing did the trick, cup is solidly in place, and it doesnt over wick yet has more juice there then before. I cant explain , mine has no wick in the tank yet it works so so so well.

using this mod brings the total taste and effectiveness out of any juice instantly. this is by far the most impressive thing ever yet so simple.

the ptb isnt touching any coil, so its not being heated like that, i guess its there for supporting the cup and delivring juice to the wick while covering the slots form leaking???

oh and banjo was right, if you do it neat enough you can place a inner ring back upside down so you can carry it around so it doesnt leak when its on its side.
 
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I don't have any PTB but I pulled the wick from an XL and rolled it inside another. It was tricky getting it slid around the cup but it worked. To fill I had to pull one side up otherwise it would just roll the juice into the cup. However, it's not leaking and it vapes beautifully!
 

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This works so well that I feel we need to figure out what the cause is that makes this work, how can this type of mod can be used in the actual design, whatever is going on here is exactly what needs to be solved.

this wicks like nothing before it, I was overly excited so i decided to use it heavily and not refill it until it was needed and all i can say this simple little thing did the trick, cup is solidly in place, and it doesnt over wick yet has more juice there then before. I cant explain , mine has no wick in the tank yet it works so so so well.

using this mod brings the total taste and effectiveness out of any juice instantly. this is by far the most impressive thing ever yet so simple.

the ptb isnt touching any coil, so its not being heated like that, i guess its there for supporting the cup and delivring juice to the wick while covering the slots form leaking???

That's easy. After the wick leaves the sides of the cup tie a knot that sits in the slot.
 

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I managed to get 2 very small folded pieces right at the wicks. It's leaking. I'm going to need it all the way around the cup and the whole length of the carto so that it doesn't fall in.

I do notice the vapor seems much better all ready!

We need someone to make straws out of this material, 3 to 5 layers in thickness, and the size that would fit around the cup and all the way to the bottom of the carto would be fine, that way it can't fall in. Even if they make these ptb straws long, people could cut them the length they need.

Who makes the pyramids. Anyone know? Would they be able to make our straws, or could an ecf member make them? The problem is that the teabags are too thin, they need to make the same material, but much thicker than that.
 

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I used a lot of PTB when I was modding carts. It's the best stuff out there which is why it's so popular here on the forum.

It wicks well, but luckily for us it also creates enough of a barrier to keep excess juice out of the cup. Supporting the cup is just a happy side-effect.

One thing to keep in mind for anyone trying this: The thickness and size of the PTB is important. It needs to be just large enough to slightly overlap the slots, and thick enough to take just a little force to get it in place. It has to push against the slot from the outside to do it's job (and stay in place).
 

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i think many materials could work as long as they dont burn. im filling them to the brim and not a drop of leaking on all 5, you need to make it thick but thin enough so you can stuff it.

You also would have to design it so you can refill the e2, im sure something can be worked out but as of now this works better then any mod on any carto or atomizer before it.

with the e2 with the wick in the tank, or without this mod, i could tell when i was running low on juice, with this it uses the juice almost till the end without any loss of taste.
 

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sneaky sneaky navathian, very good idea. where the hell r u hiding.

(( i used both a drip tip and the actual mouthpeace and both perform perfectly. ))

Not hiding, just watching. I've grown a bit weary of the repetitive problems. They always seem to come back around and it's not our fixes that are shifting the problems. We make a suggestion, they make that change but they also make another one that causes another problem, one we didn't ask for. If they had kept the slots the same size in the ceramic cup as they were in the last iteration of the plastic, either used the same plastic cap or at least kept the depth of the lip the same on the silicone ring we wouldn't have any of these new issues. I do prefer the vape with the wide slots AND the added wick to fill it up. Seems to keep a nice "reservoir" of fluid just outside the cup for instant priming.
 

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I managed to get 2 very small folded pieces right at the wicks. It's leaking. I'm going to need it all the way around the cup and the whole length of the carto so that it doesn't fall in.

You don't want to do that John. If you go all the way around the cup it'll be too hard to fill, and if you put that much PTB in there it'll suck up the juice (and won't let it all go).

Try again.. you want a piece a little less than 1/4" square. Thin enough to just fit. Overlap the sides of the slot a bit and set it in flush with the top of the cup. You don't need a lot of PTB... the factory wicks will feed it all you need.
 

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This works so well that I feel we need to figure out what the cause is that makes this work, how can this type of mod can be used in the actual design, whatever is going on here is exactly what needs to be solved.

this wicks like nothing before it, I was overly excited so i decided to use it heavily and not refill it until it was needed and all i can say this simple little thing did the trick, cup is solidly in place, and it doesnt over wick yet has more juice there then before. I cant explain , mine has no wick in the tank yet it works so so so well.

using this mod brings the total taste and effectiveness out of any juice instantly. this is by far the most impressive thing ever yet so simple.

the ptb isnt touching any coil, so its not being heated like that, i guess its there for supporting the cup and delivring juice to the wick while covering the slots form leaking???

oh and banjo was right, if you do it neat enough you can place a inner ring back upside down so you can carry it around so it doesnt leak when its on its side.

the ptb isnt touching any coil, so its not being heated like that, i guess its there for supporting the cup and delivring juice to the wick while covering the slots form leaking???

Basically yes, that's true, but it still works better and I see it all ready, and I haven't fully wrapped around the cup yet, I'm doing that next, in just a few. I tried the 2 littlle pieces on a used 808d short one and it was so good (though still leaks without going all around the cup and with the rings not proper) that I'm going to try a brand new xl fully wrapped. Anyway, yes, you're right, but I wonder if the excessive wick before was damaging the nicotine before it made it to the coil. I think the ptb act like they're protecting the nicotine and quickly delivering it to the short piece of coilWICK that actually serves a purpose.
 

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Not hiding, just watching. I've grown a bit weary of the repetitive problems. They always seem to come back around and it's not our fixes that are shifting the problems. We make a suggestion, they make that change but they also make another one that causes another problem, one we didn't ask for. If they had kept the slots the same size in the ceramic cup as they were in the last iteration of the plastic, either used the same plastic cap or at least kept the depth of the lip the same on the silicone ring we wouldn't have any of these new issues. I do prefer the vape with the wide slots AND the added wick to fill it up. Seems to keep a nice "reservoir" of fluid just outside the cup for instant priming.

That's why we have good 'ol American know-how. They make it dry, we make it wick. They make it leaky, we plug it. They make it disposable, we make it semi-permanent. :)
 

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im so high from 8 ml of juice form 4 refills that im just a shaky mess over here and cant really figure out at the moment why this works so freaking insanely well. but once i sober up from the nicotine I will get to work and try to figure this out. I havent been this happy vaping in many many months.
 

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Oh I know it, Banjo. Just figured by now we would have the full working model without the need for these constant revisions. I put in my $.02 multiple times, but they always seem to take it a step further and ruins the plan. I'm not engineer, but I could do a far better job than this. Wish I had metal lathe, hot air rework and the necessary materials.
 

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im so high from 8 ml of juice form 4 refills that im just a shaky mess over here and cant really figure out at the moment why this works so freaking insanely well. but once i sober up from the nicotine I will get to work and try to figure this out. I havent been this happy vaping in many many months.

I hear ya. I've been hitting this 510XL at 3.7v all day and even at 12mg I'm a bit wonky myself. It was harsh at that voltage before but now it's just yummy!
 
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