E2 Cartomizer Technical Discussion

[Lightgeoduck]

all i know nav is that this mod rocks hard. and yes while this works amazingly well, im not keen on modding the e2, adding ptb which should be a form of paper but still we are reverting back to filler in a sence and thats not what the e2 is about.

through.

well if it is about the "burning issues"(based off of some peoples complaints of the original cartos)... a filler in the "tank" won't be an issue since the design eliminated the element from direct contact with the filler...

if it is about "bacteria"... even if the wick doesn't burn all of the wick that isn't in direct contact with the element is still sitting idle and if you constantly reuse the same carto you will expose the juice in the same manner as every other product that we reuse... and if you constantly clean them.. you would do that to the other products that you reuse...

don't you think?

 

[badkolo]

I slowly noticed I was starting to have trouble seeing the computer screen, then I realized it was ALL THAT VAPOR!

Man be careful using these in the car. Roll your windows down people!

I get so much vapor and it tastes so good that im finding myself vaping it back to back for like 30 drags then getting upset that its performance decreased a little, meanwhile the thing is boiling hot but i cant tell cause i got my drip tip on it. no carto should be used like this but this thing spoils you.

 

[BanjoMan]

have you checked since using it on the e2s?

I pulled mine after a few dry burns and it was just discolored from my tobacco juice. After a rinse under warm water it looked fine.

 

[badkolo]

well if it is about the "burning issues"(based off of some peoples complaints of the original cartos)... a filler in the "tank" won't be an issue since the design eliminated the element from direct contact with the filler...

if it is about "bacteria"... even if the wick doesn't burn all of the wick that isn't in direct contact with the element is still sitting idle and if you constantly reuse the same carto you will expose the juice in the same manner as every other product that we reuse... and if you constantly clean them.. you would do that to the other products that you reuse...

don't you think?

so are you saying they should use some type of filler on the outside of the tank to help the issue since its not touching coil and since no carto is truly anti bacterial it shouldnt be an issue??

 

[Lightgeoduck]

so are you saying they should use some type of filler on the outside of the tank to help the issue since its not touching coil and since no carto is truly anti bacterial it shouldnt be an issue??

Actually I was asking what you think about what I said and what your take on what the e2 is about.

I am not suggesting what they should do because honestly they already didn't do it with this product

 

[badkolo]

well people want to refill, and that will expose anything to bacteria or open air in one way or another, form touching the inner cap and placing it back in to a miriad of other things that make the e2 or any carto,cartridge so UN-anti bacterial. so as long as the cart is clean and there isnt any foreign substance like glue and primer then i dont see an issue.

with the filler, well i dont think it should use filler in the tank becuase the wires get hot and that goes back to burning filler, but fixing the wick slots and maybe changing the wick is an option.

using some type of filler that is safe on the outside of the slits, well i dont know how i feel about it but that ceramic cup gets mighty hot and its heating that ptb for sure.

My opinion is that using anything but wick isnt a good idea for production, and they should fully concentrate on the cup slots and a new wick.

the more i look at the e2 wick the more inadequate it seems.

What is the ptb on the slots fixing, is it fixing the slit issue, is it fixing the wick issue, i dont know

 

[tiburonfirst]

how soon will you take orders for the newest moderations? i gladly will furnish the ptb, lol
your prompt attention to this matter would be greatly appreciated

i must of missed your plea, ask again? lol

here you go, look at the first quote, lol

More than likely you were burning plain tea bags and getting a harsh reaction from it. Get some *real* PTB and try again. You shouldn't notice anything except the fresh, pure taste of the juice you're using.

I pulled mine after a few dry burns and it was just discolored from my tobacco juice. After a rinse under warm water it looked fine.

no banjo, i used some type of filler material that was a freebie from a supplier. i never used it since i was dripping or dipping before cartos. but when i pulled that filler back out it did have a small burnt spot

 

[BanjoMan]

If I'm understanding you correctly, you're saying that you had filler material that burned a little when you tried it in the E2. I'm not really surprised.

PTB seems to have a unique quality that prevents it from burning at temps that will burn or blacken standard filler. Maybe it's the material itself - maybe it's the fact that it stays fairly wet as long as there's any juice around to wick - I dunno. Just for caution sake I wouldn't continue to hit it after the carto runs dry, but I don't think you'll see any burning problems with it under normal use.

 

[tiburonfirst]

i'll try the ptb, trip to walmart coming up!

 

[naviathan]

i'll try the ptb, trip to walmart coming up!

Oh, oh! Get pics of some of the "Walmart People" for us! That's always entertaining.

 

[BanjoMan]

Oh, oh! Get pics of some of the "Walmart People" for us! That's always entertaining.

My wife turned me onto that site. If that's "real America" we're in serious trouble.

 

[naviathan]

My wife turned me onto that site. If that's "real America" we're in serious trouble.

As if the economy and government opinion wasn't enough to tell us that.

 

[zoiDman]

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What is the ptb on the slots fixing, is it fixing the slit issue, is it fixing the wick issue, i dont know

This is the Key to solving a problem. Understanding Exactly what the problem is. And what changes effect the system.

Leaking: Seemed that the smaller slits, plastic cup design didn't leak. So was leaking caused by the slits getting larger? The seal changed to silicone instead of harder plastic? Or was it that the ceramic cup is more porous that plastic? Or some factor of all three?

Wicking: The amount of wicking is something that has be constant. So the design changes didn't seem to help or hurt wicking. The only thing that helped was adding a filler material outside the cup at the slots. So if MiT doesn't want to add something like PTB to the outside of the cup, which I agree that they shouldn't, the wick shape and configuration needs some attention. I have said all along that the wick geometry is what needs to be considered. Hollow tube? Woven? Braided?

I just don't think single strands of wick material, which can lay flat when bent around sharp corners is the answer. But MiT needs to step up to the plate and do some testing on their end with different shapes and sizes of wick.

Ease of refill: Face it. No One wants to use a syringe. And since the cup seal alss functions as a guide to keep the center post on center, that seal is going to be integral to the design in some configuration.

The simplest thing would be to relieve the sharp corners on the cup and seal ID. Putting a .010" radius on the ID edges of the cup seal would do wonders.

Harshness: I think that RS/MiT might have allready addressed this be dividing cartos into ohm ranges. I have One E2 carto that is sooth as silk with Pineapple juice. Another carto with the same juice tastes like I'm vaping bleach. I think it is a variation in ohms. Dry burn one and it is a nice happy glow. Dry burn the other and it is a Violent white hot blaze.

Customer Satisfaction: RS/MiT has to get someone over there that can write a sentence in English. They also need some type of return policy and should make good with all the people who got stuck with there products that didn't work on a marginal level.

These cartos are going get worked out sooner or later. I'm just not sure by who. RS/MiT, Us or Some Other company that has their act together enough to make a carto that works right without mods.

 

[br5495]

I'm trying to get a handle on this Guys, so please forgive me if I keep butting it. My wife and I are using six XL's at this time. I have vaped each one of them back to back trying to get the wick to run dry. They don't. Why do these wick well and yours do not? At times, I get enough juice on the coil to cause it to sputter in the cup. Any more than that will be a slurpee. The two that my wife are using have filler rings that have not been disturbed. She always lays them on the side and they do not leak.

 

[Turbo]

The two that my wife are using have filler rings that have not been disturbed. She always lays them on the side and they do not leak.

I think that's the key. I remember 'scottbee' saying that he thinks they shouldn't be disturbed a while back. I did not on my two and have had no serious leakage yet, maybe some splatter in the air tube occasionally. My friends that leaked had the filler ring removed. Of course, that would mean filling w/ a syringe and making dry burns a little more time consuming. I know you have a method 'br' of doing that though.


Question for bad:

Out of curiosity, what are the dimensions of the PTB pic you posted a few pages back, the new one?

 

[zoiDman]

I'm trying to get a handle on this Guys, so please forgive me if I keep butting it. My wife and I are using six XL's at this time. I have vaped each one of them back to back trying to get the wick to run dry. They don't. Why do these wick well and yours do not? At times, I get enough juice on the coil to cause it to sputter in the cup. Any more than that will be a slurpee. The two that my wife are using have filler rings that have not been disturbed. She always lays them on the side and they do not leak.

There are many factors like juice type and how big a hit and how long between hits. But I think the issue is three fold.

1) There are inconsistencies from carto to carto in the way the wick lays on the cup slots and how tight the coil wire is wrapped around wick.

2) Some people say that they don't wick fast enough but might not mention that they are chain vaping at higher voltage that 510 or KR808 batteries.

3) Some people say it isn't vaping fast enough when the problem could be a atomizer wire clogged with "gunk".

I never have had wicking problems using them on an eGo. Mine also don't leak if I soak the seals and the cup in VG before the first fill.

 

[tiburonfirst]

Oh, oh! Get pics of some of the "Walmart People" for us! That's always entertaining.

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My wife turned me onto that site. If that's "real America" we're in serious trouble.

lol, didn't even know something like that existed. my trips to walmart are kept as short as possible. still sore that we lost our better supermarkets due to walmart years ago. foodlion is the only one left standing.

 

[br5495]

I have a few images that will let you see a little of what is happening inside the the E2. But first, an explanation about what you will see. Early in my testing of the XL, I had one that worked well with a br mod, which is just an early type E2 mouthpiece used in place of the filler ring. It wicked well and did not leak. After several days of use, I whacked a crude window in the tube so I could see how it fit. It still worked after this and filling was a breeze, heheh. Here's what it looks like.

The wick does not show up very well, but notice that the white mouthpiece touches it. In reality, the wick is compressed a wee bit.

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Next, the left image shows the original filler ring on the cup. There is a good bit of space in the slot above the wick, but it is probably compressed somewhat from original. The image on the right doesn't mean much. It has an XL mouthpiece on the cup, which was also used for testing.

This thing will still vape like this, but the window had to be in my mouth.

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I included this one just for the heck of it. It has an experimental filler tip installed. It does not compress the wick at all and depends on the inner part of the groove to reduce leaking.

 

[br5495]

About the experimental XL with the window chopped in it. I failed to mention that it can be vaped by closing the window with a long rubber boot with an air hole in the end. If you drill a hole in the right place of an XL, it can be filled from a bottle by sliding the boot up enough to expose it.

 

[badkolo]

i think the slit needs to be raised a tad, the beginning of the slit seems to be flush to the airhole, plus the slits are to wide, if you cut one open and look at the wick in the slits on some the wick isnt touching both sides of the slit leaving way to much room.