When do you think supplies will dry up in case of a ban? Do you think that we will be able to stockpile for the next few months. All input is welcome
FDA estimated ban time frame.
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Highly unlikely. There may be more enforcement in customs and at the supplier level, but our risk in ordering from China is more likely to be financial. If China suppliers continue to accept orders and the product is stopped at customs, we will already have paid for stock that doesn't reach us.
It is always a risk importing anything. The reason why the FDa is doin this is because they want paranioa about ecigs. There are alot of people in this country that treat the FDA like the gospel. The FDA knows that people will believe them and the ecig market will go down and ruin the ecig industry it ony takes a couple of bad reviews to destroy a product or suppliers reputation.
i knew this was coming. that is why i have been getting mine from U.S. suppliers. sure it costs more, still much less than i was spending on analogs, but i know i'll get my stuff. when the ban goes in effect, not if, i imagine the juice prices are going to rise very fast. i have a couple month supply of juice. but i plan on trying to stock pile, maybe 6 months worth.
i hope , and i think i will be right, that hardware will not be affected.
i hope , and i think i will be right, that hardware will not be affected.
As any prescription drugs my husband and I might require are made in India, I order everything from overseas. Is this legal? The FDA says no, however not once has any package ever been intercepted.
This is one of the positive aspects of globalization. Customs cannot investigate more than a fraction of foreign shipments and companies always find a way to get around pesky declarations. Honestly, this will blow over. It is my personal conviction that the powers that be know this and will seek to stem the popularity by discrediting and demonizing the product.
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Jill
This is one of the positive aspects of globalization. Customs cannot investigate more than a fraction of foreign shipments and companies always find a way to get around pesky declarations. Honestly, this will blow over. It is my personal conviction that the powers that be know this and will seek to stem the popularity by discrediting and demonizing the product.
Regards,
Jill
No jail, lol - like the woman said - you can get prescription drugs from anywhere. Hell you can get high strength opiates overseas - with the risk of only a love letter/seizure notice if "caught". Go visit the roid boards, they get everything even vials - visit the mom boards, people getting "medical mj" in the mail.
You think I'm worried about getting nicotine?
I'm more worried about the scammers that will pop up, like in the other industries. Then the matter of paying them. I don't think we'll be using e-gold but almost without a doubt WU or MG(hopefully, alot cheaper).
You think I'm worried about getting nicotine?
I'm more worried about the scammers that will pop up, like in the other industries. Then the matter of paying them. I don't think we'll be using e-gold but almost without a doubt WU or MG(hopefully, alot cheaper).
Maybe it's just me. I always thought, once something is considered illegal to import. Jail is likely with a heavy fine, since it would be a federal offense by conducting an illegal transaction using federal mail services. It might be a slap on the hand, if it's your first offense along with a heavy financial warning if proven that an individual was not made aware that it was illegal.
It's likely the ban would be limited to the supplier overseas. Customs would then deal with the supplier. But, the intended receiver will pay a consequence.
As I stated in another post. A couple of acquaintances ordered some steroids from China along with HGH, both are illegal of course(unless you can get a script). Not sure if anything happened to the suppliers. But this is how it went down.
One of the dummies ordered a large supply. No way he could disprove that his intent was not to distribute, although, by the looks of him....it should of been obvious that he wasn't going to be selling it. They let the supply go through customs and come to the designated address that he had setup. Needless to say, he went down hard. He's now at Eglin Federal Prison Camp and has 4 out of 7 years to go. Then he's probably going to have to deal with the state judiciary system when he gets out.
The other guy ordered a couple cycles. Not much and this was intercepted through customs. He was picked up by state officials. He made it very easy for them since his purchase was with a credit card and was to be delivered to his actual address. He got 5 years and is at Eglin Federal Prison Camp too.
I see them every now and again, looking very slim. I just want to yell out to them...."I knew you were all fake!!" "Look at my natural Muskels!! I still gottem!!!" lol
Any way....if the liquid is banned from importation, it's likely that it will be illegal and in my opinion, be rediculous to assume that it would be a simple slap on the hand. Hell, they could even put a measurement on it to determine the intent to distribute. What if they made it, anything above 6ml at 24mg is the intent to distribute? No way one would get off with a slap on the hand with a 30ml bottle coming through customs. Never known federal offenses to be a slap on the hand, ever.
Let's not forget governmental practices to make examples of offenders when a new law has been passed. I'd like to be optimistic, I'd love to be oblivious to consequences...but is vaping worth that kind of risk...even if it were a mere financial loss? Hell to the no.
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The Poll really does not tell the whole story--the key is the "de facto" ban. That is when you can not get them untill they go though the application and approval process. For Nicowater that took 4 years. The FDA position is that that is not a ban as you can only ban a product that was once legal and now is not.
So do not get confused with the meaning of a "ban" and as for sanctions--well here is the law the way it is written:
The Federal Food, Drug, and Cosmetic Act (FDC Act) defines "drug" as any article "intended for use in the diagnosis, cure, mitigation, treatment, or prevention of disease" and "articles (other than food) intended to affect the structure or function of the body." All drugs and devices must be labeled with adequate directions for all intended uses. Labeling includes any written, printed or graphic material that accompanies a product. Intended use is determined by the facts at hand. Products not generally recognized as safe and effective by experts are considered "new." Improper labeling is called misbranding. Marketing a "new" or misbranded drug or device in interstate commerce is a federal crime. Marketing without adequate directions for use is also a federal crime.
The FDA will initiate court proceedings for a seizure, injunction, or criminal prosecution.
Sun
So do not get confused with the meaning of a "ban" and as for sanctions--well here is the law the way it is written:
The Federal Food, Drug, and Cosmetic Act (FDC Act) defines "drug" as any article "intended for use in the diagnosis, cure, mitigation, treatment, or prevention of disease" and "articles (other than food) intended to affect the structure or function of the body." All drugs and devices must be labeled with adequate directions for all intended uses. Labeling includes any written, printed or graphic material that accompanies a product. Intended use is determined by the facts at hand. Products not generally recognized as safe and effective by experts are considered "new." Improper labeling is called misbranding. Marketing a "new" or misbranded drug or device in interstate commerce is a federal crime. Marketing without adequate directions for use is also a federal crime.
The FDA will initiate court proceedings for a seizure, injunction, or criminal prosecution.
Sun
Sun,
Now you have me confused. lol
It isn't illegal to have, sell or have imported...although they have seized a few shipments.
Therefore, once banned.....wouldn't it fall in the category that it was once legal and now is not?
I think he's just backing what you said, it will be a criminal offense. I've already posted how I feel and to be honest it only does myself a disservice convincing people who normally would quit if it's banned to continue - it makes my chances for getting packages when that happens less.
lol! I hear ya. This ban thing is really all just speculation. Although it seems like we're one step closer to a ban with the FDA's public scare tactic. Maybe they're hoping to have impacted a decline in the ecig purchase popularity? I would think that it would be pretty hard for the government to control if hundreds of thousands of people possessed these devices and liquid. So, maybe this was just one step to control it?
I simply don't get how it could be successfully banned from importation, and eventually be legalized to be made with in the US like most of us believe. Typically, when something is banned from importation, but available on legal soil there is a catch. Like prescriptions, regulations, etc.
Yet, I can buy cigarettes from other countries.....okay.
I mean, there is nothing to stop me from growing tobacco in my backyard and making my own liquid. In fact, it might be far worse since I don't know what the hell I'm doing! Selling would be a different scenario of course. That would require licenses, approvals with USDA,Fda, and what ever legal hoopla I would have to endure.
Guess time will tell. It's never about what we want, it's about what they want us to have.......I already have parents, damn it!
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Steriods and nicotine are not on the same scale. But this is good to know for future reference. I believe that if there really is going to be a outright ban then if customs got ahold of a small package a fine would be imposed. If a second offense happens then further action would and might include legal enforcement. I also agree vaping is not worth the risk of possible legal action. It would be silly to risk our future for quick ecig fix. I will just make my own juice and hope for the ecig to be sold like it is in cananda etc Happy vapor and get the hardware that way. If that is not in the cards I will go back to the gum and be on that till I die analogs are now behind me.
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And that paranoia and misinformation is already having a widespread effect. Even in our backwater part of East Texas, I received 4 phone calls just yesterday from "concerned" friends who wanted to make sure I saw the reprint in the local paper of the FDA report.
All four of them are friends I have been encouraging to try PV's as an option to their analog habit.
They all four interpreted the newspaper article THE SAME WAY !
"Have you heard that your e-cigs have antifreeze in them !"
Go figure... it's hard to educate them when they have that level of negativity implanted by mass media.
Even family were calling me, and I had to go over the facts with them, the facts that were NOT given in the news story.
I am fully aware that there may be SOME not quite healthy aspects to some juice contents, but I know in my mind and my heart that it's not even close to the unhealthy contents in analog smoking.
The current fear mongering is, in my opinion, a cheap shot on those of us who struggle to find alternate ways to address our nicotine addiction.
I have written to all of MY representatives, and to others on various committees, and I look at it like the proverbial "message in a bottle".
If a person stranded on an island puts a message in bottle and sets it adrift, that person has no guarantee that the message WILL get through, however it's guaranteed that the message WON'T get through if never sent.
Just sayin'
All four of them are friends I have been encouraging to try PV's as an option to their analog habit.
They all four interpreted the newspaper article THE SAME WAY !
"Have you heard that your e-cigs have antifreeze in them !"
Go figure... it's hard to educate them when they have that level of negativity implanted by mass media.
Even family were calling me, and I had to go over the facts with them, the facts that were NOT given in the news story.
I am fully aware that there may be SOME not quite healthy aspects to some juice contents, but I know in my mind and my heart that it's not even close to the unhealthy contents in analog smoking.
The current fear mongering is, in my opinion, a cheap shot on those of us who struggle to find alternate ways to address our nicotine addiction.
I have written to all of MY representatives, and to others on various committees, and I look at it like the proverbial "message in a bottle".
If a person stranded on an island puts a message in bottle and sets it adrift, that person has no guarantee that the message WILL get through, however it's guaranteed that the message WON'T get through if never sent.
Just sayin'
Ive only found 1 place to get cured tabacoo that isnt treated yet. And its a mixture so making your own might be difficult unless people can find a reliable supplier or grow there own leaf.
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