FDA estimated ban time frame.

What is time enforcement action will take effect

  • one week

  • one month

  • 6 months

  • no ban is comeing just regulation


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Sun Vaporer

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I agree. It's purely the liquid in question and I can continue to sell PVs forever as long as I don't sell e-liquid. There are enough DIYs and smaller overseas shipments coming to users that if the whole thing goes underground, people will still get packages of "tea" from China or friends in the UK forever.


Webby --My Freind, just wait till you hear what Judge Leon is about to say---it is not going to be pretty I am afraid.

Sun
 
My very first order from China that I've been tracking just passed through Customs this morning, all 780ml of e-liquid!!! With that much e-liquid I was a bit worried, but it got through! I'm SOOOOO HAPPY! :D

Now if my package that probably weighs 10lbs or so got through, I honestly don't feel we will be having any problems on the smaller packages :)

Don't think it will weight much more than 1lb?
 

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Webby --My Freind, just wait till you hear what Judge Leon is about to say---it is not going to be pretty I am afraid.

Sun

Ruh-roh...

do tell. As with software, I assume "backwards compatability" will be conveniently forgotten. In other words, PVs WILL be banned, but bongs and "incense burners" will still remain legal to sell?

Maybe I'd better start retro-fitting my 510s to vape honey-menthol throat lozenges for the <cough cough> sore throat market? With the pork flu pandemic, I may just have a cross market opportunity there.
 
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i would like to note that i have had several packages of liquid from china with no problems, however I would like to note all my liquid orders have come through labeled something like "electronic gift accessory" and even one package of about 1000mL of liquid that was labeled "pet supplies". but hey i got my liquid

Yes you did get your order Half---but there where 7 Federal laws violating in that mislabling and 2 of them will get you time.

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Yes you did get your order Half---but there where 7 Federal laws violating in that mislabling and 2 of them will get you time.

Sun

I hate to sound selfish, but my bigger concern is the legality of an online storefront and my retail outlets. IYO, are the devices themselves on the chopping block as well?
 

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I hate to sound selfish, but my bigger concern is the legality of an online storefront and my retail outlets. IYO, are the devices themselves on the chopping block as well?


Webby --the FDA calls the device a Medical delivery system and that is what is before the Court right as we speak. So a ban is going to be both the device and the cartridges and the e-liquid.

Sun
 
i had begun the process of becoming a supplier, too late i guess. I have resorted to try and sell what ive got to recoup what i can and disabled my new site that just got finished pending what happens. The whole paypal thing got me because I have a few sites all paying to that same account and i didnt want a few ecig sales to screw those up. I am only a k or 2 down and will make it up elsewhere but it still sucks.
 

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Webby --the FDA calls the device a Medical delivery system and that is what is before the Court right as we speak. So a ban is going to be both the device and the cartridges and the e-liquid.

Sun

Lovely.

I assumed they were referring to the whole concept as a "medical delivery system" - being the whole, not the parts themselves. I could make rhetorical arguments about it not being guns that kill people (it's the bullets, the guns just make them go really fast...) but I do get the general concept.

Pretty much what you're saying is that even if the seperation of PVs and liquid could be made, the FDA is scrambling so much to catch up with a product that has gone insanely popular in such a short time, it will be awhile before they are even interested in making that distinction.

Correct?
 
Webby --My Freind, just wait till you hear what Judge Leon is about to say---it is not going to be pretty I am afraid.

Sun


What something like "Look how sucessful prohibition was!"???

Is he planning on getting a reputation as a first class idiot!!


Anyhow I hear you have legal guns in your country I hate to think how long the guy who bans them is going to last :lol:

I mean afterall what he is saying to people who are addicted to anlogues is he is going to take action to shorten their lives, isn't that manslaughter or murder?

I'd love to hear what he has to say, I mean what happene to the "Land of the Free?"

Isn't there something in your constitution which prevents your government
from stopping you improving you health?

It's all so laughable, your government initially sold you this adictive substance and you were told it was not adictive!! It is now preventing you getting a much healtheir alternative.!!

Madness absolute madness!!
 

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Lovely.

I assumed they were referring to the whole concept as a "medical delivery system" - being the whole, not the parts themselves. I could make rhetorical arguments about it not being guns that kill people (it's the bullets, the guns just make them go really fast...) but I do get the general concept.

Pretty much what you're saying is that even if the seperation of PVs and liquid could be made, the FDA is scrambling so much to catch up with a product that has gone insanely popular in such a short time, it will be awhile before they are even interested in making that distinction.

Correct?

Webby--that is correct--many of the orders they embargoed where all parts. So where it is the whole device, parts for the device, of the cartridges and e-liquid, it will not only be seized, but the FDA has stated that it is stepping up its enforcement powers to include criminal prosecution for Sellers that do not heed to their warnings---I am sure you will not want to be one of the ones they set an example with.

Sun
 

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lol I am sure the "enemy" is well aware of any and all methods of delivery for products we are not supposed to have anyway....


Methods, yes. Keywords like "pet supplies" or "electronic gift", not so much. They may start specifically looking through packages that are tagged as such.
 
Lovely.

I assumed they were referring to the whole concept as a "medical delivery system" - being the whole, not the parts themselves. I could make rhetorical arguments about it not being guns that kill people (it's the bullets, the guns just make them go really fast...) but I do get the general concept.

Pretty much what you're saying is that even if the seperation of PVs and liquid could be made, the FDA is scrambling so much to catch up with a product that has gone insanely popular in such a short time, it will be awhile before they are even interested in making that distinction.

Correct?

The only active component as far as I can see is the vapouriser or are they going to ban batteries? :lol:


Lots of products contain vapourisers, anyone selling them in the USA just has to rebrand them, I mean it is just a heatinig element isn't it?


I will ell you something for nothing I could probably make a homemade vapourisr right now in a few minutes.

Al l I need is a bulb, break the glass, and stick the filiment into some elquid and apply a voltage. Then I just wind up the voltage, and thats it - vapour.

Infact why do I need to buy an eigarette when I can easilly make my own?
 
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