FDA estimated ban time frame.

[snap6cat]

I really prefer flu-cured 24 from bestecigs. I ordered only a couple of bottles, if this small amount gets stopped we are in DEEP...I wish I liked the JC as much as the suff from China! When I asked bestecig they said they do they have SGS reports (whatever that is). I guess I will hope for the best.....
David

 

[ProfessorDaffy]

And risk going to jail!!

I've heard you can get a lot in prison for a pack of cigarettes. I wonder what 30ml of RY4 will get you?

--Prof Daffy (not too pretty for prison, just pretty enough)

 

[zero7starz]

If they ban e-cigs I will pay personally to have all the crap in regular cigarettes tested against our liquid. This is crap. The stuff they started putting into my analogs (FSC) was making me increasingly sick the more days that I smoked them (and I was a fairly light smoker) so to think that putting GLUE and LATEX (which mind you tons of people are deathly allergic to) in analogs to make them fire safe is less of a concern then our liquid.

I'm ...... right now. The FDA and the government are being some pretty contradictorily .......s right now.

 

[quovadis]

It will not be banned. We're gonna win this one. vaping has won the hearts and minds of enough good people now, that it's here to stay.

We just need to let our voices be heard and stand together. We want this safer alternative, and won't take no for an answer.

Once the BS of this report is fully understood, the FDA is going to be ashamed of what they're doing,,, and they will have to let it happen.

300 Spartans? Eh?
Look at what the FDA did to them....

 

[brandeeashlynn]

So I am wondering if i will be able to buy my stockpile in a bout 2 weeks? With all the sh!1 going on it makes me wonder.

 

[Sun Vaporer]

Sun, do you know if anyone is working for our side in this matter? Should we all e-mail Judge Leon and tell him our stories. Could we do that?

I have posted it in other threads and will post it here. The Law Clerks do read this kind of mail---snail mail and they are the ones that write the opinion and give the general sentiments to the Judge. Will that change anything--lets just say it can not hurt at this point:

Write to:

The Honorable Justice Richard Leon
Clerk's Office
United States District Court
for the District of Columbia
333 Constitution Avenue, N.W.
Washington, D.C. 20001

Sun, we have to the of August for the decision to be made....?
So the sky IS falling?

Depending on how you look at it Wezzie, the sky already fell and most do not know. Septemeber 15th is a reasonable date to bear in mind.

Sun

 

[jimmieu]

What will black market prices look like? Im thinking 75 for 30ml. A new 510 kit for $$$?

 

[DaBrat]

I woulda voted for yesterday but the option wasn't available.

 

[Duckies]

Depending on how you look at it Wezzie, the sky already fell and most do not know. Septemeber 15th is a reasonable date to bear in mind.

What is the significance of Sept 15th?

 

[Sun Vaporer]

What is the significance of Sept 15th?

September 15 is one month after the hearing. This is enough time for any reply Motions to be filed and for Judge Leon to rule.

Sun

 

[Mac]

What will black market prices look like? Im thinking 75 for 30ml. A new 510 kit for $$$?

Figure about a 500% mark up with alot of adultered products and all kinds of rip offs.

 

[breno]

What is the significance of Sept 15th?

It's my birthday!!

 

[Scooter Bob]

All this sudden Sept 15th talk prompts a question. Should peeps using PVs maybe buy up 48mg stock while available, just in case they might need to reproduce their personal stock? Slicing down 48mg sounds much better than having to actually make the stuff. I don't mean to sound criminal, yet having 48mg quantity, could be attractible for lean times after such a shutdown. Maybe I'm last in line, and peeps are buying-up already. Bob

 

[Superstargoddess]

Can't believe I hadn't voted in this poll yet, but I just did! I am also with the whole "No ban, just regulation and perhaps taxing" group of people. Though I'm not sure about the taxes, do they tax the patch and chantix?

 

[ramblingrose]

Can't believe I hadn't voted in this poll yet, but I just did! I am also with the whole "No ban, just regulation and perhaps taxing" group of people. Though I'm not sure about the taxes, do they tax the patch and chantix?

No. This is going to be one of the issues if sales aren't banned. If e-cigs are a medical device they should be tax exempt. If they're an alternative to cigarettes, they're likely to be taxed at similar rates. That will lead to the same tax collection issues as with analogs.

 

[Superstargoddess]

No. This is going to be one of the issues if sales aren't banned. If e-cigs are a medical device they should be tax exempt. If they're an alternative to cigarettes, they're likely to be taxed at similar rates. That will lead to the same tax collection issues as with analogs.

Hmm, I wonder how they will be able to determine how they are classified? I can't really see it being labeled as a medical device, that would be silly to make someone have a prescription or something to get one of these, unless it's under the lines of a more OTC kind of thing.

I think the problem is that there hasn't ever been anything quite like this before and they need to figure out what they are going to do about it.

 

[swoop4422]

This is absurd. Before reading on these forums I had no idea that electronic cigarettes are being brought into question as far as legal issues are concerned. This is a display of the power of Big Tobacco. Electronic cigarettes are helping people kick a powerful habbit by the masses, which leads to fewer sales for the tobacco companies. All we are to these companies are statistics and dollars. Fewer smokers equals less money. Big Tobacco has its hands deep in the pockets of an alarmingly large amount of very influential politicians. These politicians are the ones creating the legislation for things such as this. Tobacco lobbyists have millions of dollars at their disposal to buy their way to whatever they want, and this couldnt be more evident than whats happening in the case of electronic cigarettes.

 

[EtherMagic]

As any prescription drugs my husband and I might require are made in India, I order everything from overseas. Is this legal? The FDA says no, however not once has any package ever been intercepted.

This is one of the positive aspects of globalization. Customs cannot investigate more than a fraction of foreign shipments and companies always find a way to get around pesky declarations. Honestly, this will blow over. It is my personal conviction that the powers that be know this and will seek to stem the popularity by discrediting and demonizing the product.

Regards,
Jill

My very first order from China that I've been tracking just passed through Customs this morning, all 780ml of E-Liquid!!! With that much e-liquid I was a bit worried, but it got through! I'm SOOOOO HAPPY!

Now if my package that probably weighs 10lbs or so got through, I honestly don't feel we will be having any problems on the smaller packages

 

[breno]

What will black market prices look like? Im thinking 75 for 30ml. A new 510 kit for $$$?

Not a chance, first off there will not be a ban, not a chance in hell of that happening.


There is no way they will ban a product which is safer than the legal analogues, the legal aspects of doing that are horrendous.
Secondly even if they did the blackmarket price would not be high as they
will not banned in every country.

For example I smoke blackmarket tobacco I pay half the normal retail price,
the 'smuggler' is making an 80% profit on it, I could buy it my self in Belgium (I'm in UK) for almost a quarter of the price I would have to pay here, but it's not worth the bother.
Anyway I have not smoked 'legal' tobacco in over 10 years!!
I don't see wwhy I should pay exortionate rates of tax.
OK it's a little harder maybe in the USA as you are more 'isolated', however you have a 3,000 mile long border with Canada. what they gonna do build a wall?

You also have a massively porus border with Mexico.

Also do you have any idea how easy it is to smuggle juice?
Any idea of the profitabillty of doing so?
Take current prices of 10-30 $'s for 30ml. Thats a 150% to 650% profit per
30ml. In one 5 gallon can you can get 630 bottles.
Going on the 30$ price costs about $20,000 so thats a profit of $30,000 to
$130,000 or a 5 gallon can!!!!!!
Work out yourself the value of a carr load of it!!
Or a truck full of it, or a shipping container.

And of course it can be much more concentrated than that.
You can take a holiday to any country where it is legal and pack a couple of years supply into a suitcase. Just get a legal cigarette box and back it with bottles of ejuice, gonna be hard for a sniffer dog to detect!!
Think they are going to throw you into jail for smoking a much safer product
or trying to quit?

The idea is ludricous!!

 

[Webby]

Hmm, I wonder how they will be able to determine how they are classified? I can't really see it being labeled as a medical device, that would be silly to make someone have a prescription or something to get one of these, unless it's under the lines of a more OTC kind of thing.

I think the problem is that there hasn't ever been anything quite like this before and they need to figure out what they are going to do about it.

I agree. It's purely the liquid in question and I can continue to sell PVs forever as long as I don't sell e-liquid. There are enough DIYs and smaller overseas shipments coming to users that if the whole thing goes underground, people will still get packages of "tea" from China or friends in the UK forever.