As I understand it. Nicotine is flushed from the system withing 72 hours.
FDA issues notice of intent to propose "deeming" regulation by April of 2013 for e-cigarettes and other tobacco products
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As I understand it. Nicotine is flushed from the system withing 72 hours.
That is a GREAT idea!
But we would need that to happen in cities all across America.
I think getting the vendors involved is always the thing that makes the biggest difference.
But we may need to save that option for when it is REALLY needed.
Is this petition one of those times?
Well, probably not, but then even that is sort of borderline.
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That is a very difficult question, and there have been many threads on the subject...
I would try to answer, but you should get a variety of opinions to make your own decisions.
There are a number of issues involved, including what tests they use, and what kind of risk you are willing to take.
In the end, it seems to me that you really need to know what the insurance company policy is with respect to electronic cigarettes.
Please check out these threads...
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...urance-increase-tobacco-users-ecig-users.html
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...-insurance-companies-consider-us-smokers.html
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/new-members-forum/277180-life-insurance.html
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...cal-insurance-says-ecigs-tobacco-product.html
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...iscussion/219410-health-insurance-e-cigs.html
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/new-members-forum/200970-failed-nicotine-test-insurance.html
There are many other threads to look at as well...
Just do a search for thread with "insurance" in the title.
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My theory is Why place a Bloody Hand into a Pool of Hungry Piranhas?
When I have been asked if I use "Tobacco", I say "No".
BTW - I also don't sit in the waiting room hitting on my Provari while filling out Insurance forms. Or have an eGo Twist in my Shirt Pocket when talking to the Insurance Agent.
The main item of concern...
If you fool your insurance company, you will get lower rates.
And if anything should happen and you make a future claim, if they find nicotine in your system you could be denied coverage.
Read the links I posted earlier, and make your own decisions.
As for me, I'm just lucky my employer doesn't ask these questions or do any testing.
I'm sure that will change over time.
If you fool your insurance company, you will get lower rates.
And if anything should happen and you make a future claim, if they find nicotine in your system you could be denied coverage.
Read the links I posted earlier, and make your own decisions.
As for me, I'm just lucky my employer doesn't ask these questions or do any testing.
I'm sure that will change over time.
My friends ...
This is not the America you learned about in school.
Reminds me of when I was in the military (Viet-Nam)
The first day in the field after completing training
they told us ... You can just forget most of what you
learned in school ... This is the "Real World".
This is not the America you learned about in school.
Reminds me of when I was in the military (Viet-Nam)
The first day in the field after completing training
they told us ... You can just forget most of what you
learned in school ... This is the "Real World".
Thanks for the great links. I didn't know this slide started 2 yrs ago. And the nightmares starts....
A must read if you have the time!
I wonder what happens with those who are on nicotine replacement therapy. I know a guy who hasn't smoked for over two years but still can't get through the day without his nicotine gum. Is he still a "smoker" to these idiots?
Not a smoker but an approved tabacco user, according to the FDA.
The FDA considers NRTs to be pharmaceutical products. E-cigarettes are not made of tobacco and contain no tobacco. Is an energy drink that contains caffeine considered coffee?
So if you are asked if you use tobacco you could truthfully say, "I used to, but now I use a nicotine inhaler. It helped me stop smoking and it keeps me from relapsing."
The arguments in the first paragraph are reasonable logically, but beside the point since the FSPTCA contains a definition of tobacco product that includes "derived from" tobacco.
The whole point of this discussion thread is that we want to fight against the FDA regulating e-cigs as a tobacco product because we can't trust them to write reasonable regulations. Instead of being concerned about our health, FDA seems more concerned with trying to put tobacco companies out of business.
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Don't Slam the Messenger...
But in the eyes of Many Insurance Companies, Yes, He still I a Smoker.
Perhaps a more Semantically Correct Definition would be a "Nicotine User". But no matter how you Slice it or what Words a person uses, if you put something into your Body you are going to Pay more for Insurance in this Country that someone who Doesn't.
Maybe this is something that would be Well Suited for a New Thread? I would hate to see this FDA Thread get Derailed. Even though the Entire Nicotine/Insurance thing is Very Worthy of Discussion.
So where does the Nicotine in my e-Liquid come from?
Would "Tobacco Product" be a more Accurate phrase for an e-Liquid?
I added something to that post. I said that even though my arguments were logical, the FDA can get away with regulating E-cigs as tobacco products because the law includes in the definition of "tobacco product" anything that is derived from tobacco.
OH ...
I'm sure after the FDA reveals their "Deeming Regulations"
Nicotine will be an "on-topic" subject of discussion.
OH ...
I'm sure after the FDA reveals their "Deeming Regulations"
Nicotine will be an "on-topic" subject of discussion.
I personally would like to see about 30 Threads going on of all kinds of “Larger Issue” Topics.
Sometimes I get Discourage when there are Page after Page of Vamo Threads. Or a Dozen threads about whether a Provari is worth the Money.
And there are only a Handful of threads like this which talk about what is coming, Not May Come, Coming down the Road for All Vapers.
But I guess that Many don’t think things are going to Change. And that e-Cigarettes will just be as it is now Forever.
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