FDA may soon propose regulation that could ban many/most e-cigarette products, eliminate many/most companies

[JD4x4]

Yes, thank you Kristin, Vocalek, and everyone at and involved with CASAA. And certainly Bill Godshall!!

I'm one who is anxiously waiting to see what kind of hammer they want to drop. The situation makes me absolutely livid, but I'm trying very hard to be calm and thoughtful before I inevitably explode. Personally, I simply won't take irrational regulation and/or law lying down. This is my last straw. As much or more so than 2nd amendment or anything else. Period.

NO ONE can rationalize banning or regulating batteries, switches, heating coils in a tube. It also physically can't be done anyway.

It's currently NOT illegal to grow tobacco (in most/all of the US anyway?), nor is it difficult. Although in some places it IS illegal to sell or even give it away. But then again they've made illegal quite a few things I've been doing in my 60 years, thereby making me a defacto criminal if I persist. So what? It's simply a question of relativity, actions, & consequences.

So far the consensus of opinion is that nic juice will last 2+ years when kept in the freezer. An ongoing test is being done here, fyi.

The Stardust/eGo Vision clearomizers can also be rebuilt with nichrome or Kanthal wire and cotton gauze wicks. And they taste good, imo. Search YouTube, and here about wicks.

I will continue until death to find my recreational use of nicotine (when conservatively and responsibly self-administered in a method non-intrusive to others) no more shameful or harmful than my daily coffee. And, neither of my grown children use tobacco products or abuse caffeine. Nor alcohol. They, the wife, & I required no outside assistance other than honest information, thank you very much. Contrarian viewoints and opinions can just go to ... away.

 

[PirateVaper]

Maybe each e juice vender would have to pay an annual inspection to be able to sell your juice, you would identify each "approved" member with some FDA logo or something like that in their website. Of course price will be elevated, maybe a 40% or 50%, and will be paying for it. My greatest fear is that surely international sales will be prohibited, so people like me will be impossible in the mean time to buy good juice, and will have to buy unknown origin juice, maybe adulterated? =(

 

[Lisa Belle]

Of course PirateVaper, your on the sea traveling??? Then it could be an issue for you. I hope it can be affordable even if it goes black market!!!

 

[Lisa Belle]

I appreciate the pro-activity!!! I'm in favor of DIY from the ground up!!!

 

[mmrock]

this needs to be done. we need to get a voting bloc going. i've always thought that smokers should have became organized and became a voting bloc when the government first started with all those rules and regulations regarding cigarettes. that would have stopped them from walking all over smokers like they do now. .. e-cig people need to form a voting bloc. get organized.

"An estimated 46 million American adults currently smoke cigarettes and annually-2012"

can you imagine an organized voting bloc of 46 million? votes count!

i know that smokers are not all for e-smokers. some smokers are against e-cigs, some don't even care. idk.. but the e-cig community sure needs to get organized and form a voting bloc. politicians only see votes. that's all they care about. i'm not sure how many e-smokers there are, but there might be enough to make a formidable voting bloc. maybe some smokers will jump in there too.

I will begin by saying that this is not thought through all the way......... I do not know how effective it would be and whether or not it is even worth trying. Actually, it may even have a negative impact. This is just an idea.... Do not try this at home......That being said, here goes.....

Many have sent letters, emails and various forms of communication to their rep/senator in DC. They are usually letters speaking of the unfair scrutiny concerning e-cigs and how they should vote to change the course of the FDA on this issue etc. Many times various instances are brought up to highlight the unfair treatment and to express the general displeasure.

And.... 9 times out of 10, the response is a form letter yada.... yada...

What if we wrote and told them this was our life they were dealing with when it came down to e-cigs. We could continue to say that we value our lives greatly and that we have each found at last 30 people that will vote them out of office unless they vote down any proposed legislation that will restrict/heavily tax e-cigs. if someone got 20-30,000 of these they may think twice.

Again, this is NOT thought through properly. It is just an idea and it may very well be a bad one. Do not try this at home!!
DO NOT ACT ON THIS POST!!!!!

I am merely bringing it up for discussion here.

 

[mmrock]

ron paul is a nut. during the last election, he said he was going to get rid of the FBI. how dumb is that? .. and now he wants to get rid of the FDA?

 

[KDK]

ron paul is a nut. during the last election, he said he was going to get rid of the FBI. how dumb is that? .. and now he wants to get rid of the FDA?

He isn't a nut, although he might be a little overboard in some areas. I think that both of those govenment departments are corrupt and long overdue either a overhaul or compleate replacement. The FDA in particular is so joined at the hip with big pharma that there is no hope (IMO) that e-cigs will ever get a fair shake. Also because of big pharma, they are trying to take away most if not all of the OTC supplements available!

 

[mmrock]

$5.95 for a pack of smokes in Michigan ( every couple of years that price goes up.. and up.. and up.) . i hear its like 20 bucks a pack in Australia. are these "reasonably taxed?" ... if the feds start taxing nicotine products, expect the prices to sky rocket. wanna pay 50 bucks for a 10ml bottle of juice?

( i guess you can say that they will say that ..that is an equivalent of 10 packs of cigs.. . if 1ml equals a pack of smokes ( which is what all the e-cig companies are saying right now ), at 10ml.. that would cost $59.50 for a 10ml bottle of e-liquid in Michigan- with prices sure to rise and rise ) .. nope.. no thanks.

me either.. .

This is a pretty good summation. I also think its how most of us feel. Im a realist and I know we will eventually get taxed. Im honestly fine with a reasonable tax. Reasonable regulation made my a REAL legislative body is also acceptable.

:RANT:
The FDA has no legal right to make or alter a law. They are only granted the ability to enforce them. Making the proposed moves being debated is questionable at best. Interpretation will have to be left to the lawyers in the end I suppose.

Quite frankly the moves against vapers, SOPA and the changes to the NDAA have me extremely biased these days. I am tired of my government imposing themselves into everything.......
:/RANT:

 

[mechanicallighter]

The chemist here on ecf says unflavored nic can last years stored in a freezer.

I should have chucked mine in the deep freeze. I bought a whole lot of pure nicotine (12 x 30 ml bottles) and after 9 months, they've turned from colorless to a pee colored yellow.

 

[simply me]

ron paul is a nut. during the last election, he said he was going to get rid of the FBI. how dumb is that? .. and now he wants to get rid of the FDA?

Someone wants to tell me why we need the FBI? The feds are why this country is going down. They control about everything our country has including our money. The FDA lets rats run through our food but won't let us have e cigs. I have said all along this is about money nothing else. They let us smoke and we pay and they will let us vape but we will pay. Feds has every bank, the treasury everything. Ron Paul is right we do not need The FBI they need to go. There was never a reason for us to have the FBI, It was all conjored up by a set of very greedy people that conned the people.

 

[simply me]

$50 for ten mls of liquid. Could you imagin. It would cost me 500 a month. No way is 10 mls is a carton.

 

[Luisa]

this needs to be done. we need to get a voting bloc going. i've always thought that smokers should have became organized and became a voting bloc when the government first started with all those rules and regulations regarding cigarettes. that would have stopped them from walking all over smokers like they do now. .. e-cig people need to form a voting bloc. get organized.

"An estimated 46 million American adults currently smoke cigarettes and annually-2012"

can you imagine an organized voting bloc of 46 million? votes count!

i know that smokers are not all for e-smokers. some smokers are against e-cigs, some don't even care. idk.. but the e-cig community sure needs to get organized and form a voting bloc. politicians only see votes. that's all they care about. i'm not sure how many e-smokers there are, but there might be enough to make a formidable voting bloc. maybe some smokers will jump in there too.

Join CASAA,volunteer,donate money,and support it strongly. That is our voting bloc. The more people on ECF that help,the stronger we will become. Our hardest workers are going to burn out if more vapors don"t step up to the plate.

 

[mmrock]

the FBI captures high profile criminals who cross state lines. criminals that local law enforcement cannot deal with. we need the FBI.

Someone wants to tell me why we need the FBI? The feds are why this country is going down. They control about everything our country has including our money. The FDA lets rats run through our food but won't let us have e cigs. I have said all along this is about money nothing else. They let us smoke and we pay and they will let us vape but we will pay. Feds has every bank, the treasury everything. Ron Paul is right we do not need The FBI they need to go. There was never a reason for us to have the FBI, It was all conjored up by a set of very greedy people that conned the people.

 

[DC2]

Join CASAA,volunteer,donate money,and support it strongly. That is our voting bloc. The more people on ECF that help,the stronger we will become. Our hardest workers are going to burn out if more vapors don"t step up to the plate.

Anyone that doesn't understand this is not part of the solution.

 

[X P3 Flight Engineer]

$50 for ten mls of liquid. Could you imagin. It would cost me 500 a month. No way is 10 mls is a carton.

The new nicotine spray (1mg nic per spray) costs (coincidentally, I'm sure) the price of a cigarette per spray!

Here is your pricing template for the future. I think that if we agreed to keep sending the Government the money that we normally spent on cigarettes they would relax some pressure on vaping. Failing that, they will find other ways to get it.

 

[simply me]

the FBI captures high profile criminals who cross state lines. criminals that local law enforcement cannot deal with. we need the FBI.

If that was the only job that the FBI did that would be great. Who do you think has the Federal Reserve. Why do you think inflation goes up or down . FBI just doesn't go catching criminals they are the criminals. Do a little research and find out how the FBI got control. There is no reason for us having the FBI.

*** “Yet the individual is handicapped by coming face to face with a conspiracy so monstrous he cannot believe it exists. The American mind simply has not come to a realization of the evil which has been introduced into our midst. It rejects even the assumption that human creatures could espouse a philosophy which must ultimately destroy all that is good and decent.” FBI Director, J. Edgar Hoover, 1956

He died with all those files that the FBI so wanted.
Congressman Louis McFaddon, Chairman of the House Committee on Banking and Currency wrote the following. Please read carefully. “When the Federal Reserve Act was passed, the people of the United States did not perceive that a world banking system was being set up here. A super-state controlled by International Bankers and International industrialists acting together to enslave the world for their own pleasure. Every effort has been made by the Fed to conceal its powers, but the truth is—the Fed has usurped the Government. It controls everything here and it controls all our foreign relations. It makes and breaks governments at will.”
Our FBI does not have our best intrest at heart. We can do just fine without them. Please do a little research.

 

[simply me]

the FBI captures high profile criminals who cross state lines. criminals that local law enforcement cannot deal with. we need the FBI.

For someone who lives in California know that is a bunch of baloney. what border are you talking about. LOL not ours.

 

[jimbill]

I should have chucked mine in the deep freeze. I bought a whole lot of pure nicotine (12 x 30 ml bottles) and after 9 months, they've turned from colorless to a pee colored yellow.

The nic should have been good mine is about a year old and has turned yellow but still taste fine and vapes good. Here is a old but good thread about nic storage give it a read it has alot of good info. http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/myfreedomsmokes/43742-smoke-juice-storage-tips.html

 

[Debbie Lee]

okay send me info on how to donate to the casaa please help me pm me or however I want to help too

 

[Debbie Lee]

Join CASAA,volunteer,donate money,and support it strongly. That is our voting bloc. The more people on ECF that help,the stronger we will become. Our hardest workers are going to burn out if more vapors don"t step up to the plate.

I want to join so how do I