First vape related death

[untar]

two vent holes at base where gases can escape from around fire button.

That's still an "optimistic" design for the case of a failing battery, they're assuming nothing is going to deform and block the path of the hot gases. If you look at the part of the vid where he disassembles the switch there's also not much space at all to get to the vent holes from the top, screw and insulator ring seem pretty tight.
I know someone who has this mod and he tested the venting, he unscrewed the top part and blew, says blowing through it "isn't easy".

The venting holes need to be where the venting occurs, not past a self destroying battery.

 

[Asbestos4004]

That's still an "optimistic" design for the case of a failing battery, they're assuming nothing is going to deform and block the path of the hot gases. If you look at the part of the vid where he disassembles the switch there's also not much space at all to get to the vent holes from the top, screw and insulator ring seem pretty tight.
I know someone who has this mod and he tested the venting, he unscrewed the top part and blew, says blowing through it "isn't easy".

The venting holes need to be where the venting occurs, not past a self destroying battery.

I agree.....and I'm completely irate that the hack news reporter didn't point this out to the people! Totally irresponsible!!!!

 

[hell_storm2004]

It was a Smok-E Mountain Vanilla mechanical mod from the Phillapines. This model has no vent holes. The fire button can be disabled, but of course it must be set to be effective. I don't believe it has been determined what atomizer or batteries were being used.

Thanks for the info. It was a surprise. But that pansy thing killed a man? That is a bit of a shocker! No matter how bad the explosion. It is no RDX.

 

[ScottP]

Now you got me confused.
The review explains the venting as being down the tube , two vent holes at base where gases can escape from around fire button.

That was the THEORY. Apparently the reality was that rubber seal and negative pin on the button sealed off those vent ports. Look at 9:47 in the video to see what I mean.

 

[Opinionated]

I agree.....and I'm completely irate that the hack news reporter didn't point this out to the people! Totally irresponsible!!!!

Initial reporting can always be sketchy but good journalism should have a good follow-up where they discuss the facts with experts..

They should pay untar to have a war of words with the slimeball anti-vapers..

 

[Baditude]

An exploding battery doesn't turn into a flamethrower. It's razzle dazzle.

batteries aren't napalm=everything about vaping LOL

There are dozens of videos on You Tube of Lithium Ion battery explosions and fires. It was difficult to choose which ones to share.

Where did anyone say the fire caused the victims death? The fire was a secondary event. The piece of shrapnel entering his brain is the cause of death. The fire got out of control because the victim was dead.

 

[Asbestos4004]

Initial reporting can always be sketchy but good journalism should have a good follow-up where they discuss the facts with experts..

Pay untar to have a war of words with the slimeball anti-vapers..

I was being sarcastic....but, yeah....it would be a more accurate story if @untar was an eye witness.

I would just pray he mentioned his spider balls tingling somewhere in the interview.

 

[Upinsmoke]

I agree .
Bad just said there was no vent holes .
Perhaps more accurate to say insufficient venting.
As someone who works under fairly strict health and safety regulations in the food industry you wouldn't catch me using anything that has no discernible safety features.
Back in my motorcycling days I was always one of those guys wearing all the safety gear even on hot summer days.

 

[Asbestos4004]

It seems nitpickyness towards sentence structure and word selection could possibly be a side effect from vaping.

I will start a GoFundMe and get the study underway . I'll need several key participants from this particular thread to donate a bit of time....

 

[Baditude]

But that pansy thing killed a man? That is a bit of a shocker! No matter how bad the explosion. It is no RDX.

Tell that to these guys. Consider them "lucky" to be alive.

I should add a disclaimer that by sharing these images is not to be fear mongering. I don't like doing it, but sometimes I feel it is necessary to get the attention of certain individuals who poo poo the potential danger involved when using a mechanical mod and lithium ion batteries.

I do not dislike mechs. I've owned and used them myself. I retired my mechs a couple of years ago when I realized that I was getting a better vape with my regulated mods for the way I vape, and also considering regulated mods are inherently safer than a mech.

I just hope those who choose to use a mech have chosen one which has a "safer" design. It only takes one careless moment to change your life forever.

 

[Asbestos4004]

Tell that to these guys.

I hate when you do that.....

 

[Upinsmoke]

It seems nitpickyness towards sentence structure and word selection could possibly be a side effect from vaping.

I will start a GoFundMe and get the study underway . I'll need several key participants from this particular thread to donate a bit of time....

What happened to your white flag ?
I just watched the review and sought a further explanation that's all not trying to start a fight .
Honest.
I should imagine the guy doing that review is feeling a little uncomfortable right now.

 

[ScottP]

Thanks for the info. It was a surprise. But that pansy thing killed a man? That is a bit of a shocker! No matter how bad the explosion. It is no RDX.

When the tube blew, a piece of shrapnel lodged in his skull, rendering him unable to respond to the fire that started. It's not like they are saying it blew the man into pieces.

 

[ScottP]

I should imagine the guy doing that review is feeling a little uncomfortable right now.

Yeah especially since he said that was a mod he recommended a lot. I wonder if this story changed his mind.

 

[stols001]

Well, I'm all sure it will be figured out and digested and etc.

What makes me the saddest honestly, isn't the reporting. Vaping will have it's first "official" death, and that's already over and done. I'm quite sure it will be addressed, by the media, the FDA, whatever.

What bothers me is the fact that this guy was handed that equipment and battery with (I am betting) little to no remedial education on safety issues. He was a young guy, trying vaping for the FIRST TIME.

And the fact is, while shop owners do this, well, they need to remember they are the FIRST line of defense. Any shop owner selling a new vaper a mod and an unknown battery? It's shameful.

I got a ton of education buying my first two Njoy kits. It saddens me that there are vaping emporiums that would achieve such an act, vaping has been around long enough and the status of ecigs is precarious enough, I can't help but say, if this is how vape stores are behaving, they may deserve (on a moral level) to have their business redacted. I hate to say it, but if there is not a TRULY EXCELLENT neighborhood watch program, so to speak, where owners and employees are educated? The police will come in to a high crime area. It just.... happens.

If vape stores cannot self police better than this, I'm hardly shocked that regulation is coming down the pike. I just wish it could be in a sane way, not an "everyone is harmed" way. Of that, I have 0% control. But, I think it's awful and tragic that something designed to reduce harm, (and should HAVE for this gentleman, with the right gear). Wound up in an untimely death.

It's just so.... not necessary. It's truly very sad.

Anna

 

[Opinionated]

I was being sarcastic....but, yeah....it would be a more accurate story if @untar was an eye witness.

I would just pray he mentioned his spider balls tingling somewhere in the interview.

They have "experts" on Iraq that haven't been, "experts" on Islam that never practiced the religion, "experts" on women that don't want to be one, who they then sit in front of cameras to discuss their views from their "expert" viewpoint whenever something occurs..

Why can't we have experts on vaping who vape, speak on things like major tragedies related to vaping in order to inform the viewers of their viewpoint?

You don't have to have been in the room..

 

[hell_storm2004]

Tell that to these guys. Consider them "lucky" to be alive.

Well they weren't killed were they? It can be dangerous. But lethal, this is the first time.

 

[Opinionated]

Well they weren't killed were they? It can be dangerous. But lethal, this is the first time.

The fact it's the first time someone died is in the thread title... so yes this is the first time.

But a mech blowing apart and a piece of shrapnel flying? All that takes is to be in the wrong place at the wrong time for it to go from dangerous to deadly.

 

[zoiDman]

I Like Waffles.

 

[Baditude]

That's still an "optimistic" design for the case of a failing battery, they're assuming nothing is going to deform and block the path of the hot gases. If you look at the part of the vid where he disassembles the switch there's also not much space at all to get to the vent holes from the top, screw and insulator ring seem pretty tight.
I know someone who has this mod and he tested the venting, he unscrewed the top part and blew, says blowing through it "isn't easy".

The venting holes need to be where the venting occurs, not past a self destroying battery.