Heather's Heavenly Vapes - THE BIG THREAD (Part 6)

CMD-Ky

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Lori NEVER told you any BS story. Had she, I would have jumped her case and I would have to stand in line to wait my turn. And I read every post in this thread. Lori is not a BSer. She doesn't even know how to BS. It's not in her fiber. It seriously does not take a math degree to figure out that it is impossible for 99.999% of vape vendors to afford the application process. They cannot even afford one single application at $300K. Multiply by the number of product variations and it's mind boggling. It would put them out of business which is exactly what Deeming is designed to do. The only defense any of these vendors have is to donate what little they can toward advocacy. That's all they can do. In the end we/they are at the mercy of the FDA. And infighting among us only takes away what little pull we have.

Ditto's ^^, my on-line friend.
 

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Lori NEVER told you any BS story. Had she, I would have jumped her case and I would have to stand in line to wait my turn. And I read every post in this thread. Lori is not a BSer. She doesn't even know how to BS. It's not in her fiber. It seriously does not take a math degree to figure out that it is impossible for 99.999% of vape vendors to afford the application process. They cannot even afford one single application at $300K. Multiply by the number of product variations and it's mind boggling. It would put them out of business which is exactly what Deeming is designed to do. The only defense any of these vendors have is to donate what little they can toward advocacy. That's all they can do. In the end we/they are at the mercy of the FDA. And infighting among us only takes away what little pull we have.

As I said, that was my bad.

I definitely missed the post where they said they were closing their doors upon deeming implementation, and caught the post where they said tthey were filing applications in order to stay in business, and working toward (and hopeful about) filing a PMTA.

If they had said they are planning to close permanently when deeming hits then I would have understood, but worried about supporting their efforts toward it less.

Never expected anyone to file 100 applications. I expect businesses to take their main seller and figure out what part of the market they want to cater to, (because that will dictate nicotine strengths) and file one or two applications.

Take a lesson from Juul on that one. No one can cater to every vaper. You decide who is your target market and cater to them with a couple really good products and forget the rest..

No one expects people to be idiots.

No one likes to be treated like idiots either.
 
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People we have to stick together. Things are seriously tough for us. I can't even begin to say what all is on my mind right now. The news is distracting us and dividing us. People are losing their homes right and left, but all you see is some carrot being waved over our heads to look at. There is a reason for this and it isn't pretty.
 

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People we have to stick together. Things are seriously tough for us. I can't even begin to say what all is on my mind right now. The news is distracting us and dividing us. People are losing their homes right and left, but all you see is some carrot being waved over our heads to look at. There is a reason for this and it isn't pretty.

Very true. I hope your day goes better today than the forecasts were saying.
 

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Very true. I hope your day goes better today than the forecasts were saying.

We are at enhanced risk with heavy rain and everything else possible. It looks like the late evening is when we may see the worst again. It looks like 3 days of periods of heavy rain. Since we are already in a flood warning, it doesn't look good. Next week even more bad weather. (7th-10th) That could change of course. The 12-13th was gonna be bad, but it moved up.
 

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my phone has an alarm on it... it has about 10 different "alarm" tones to choose from... and they are really loud, you can hear it from across the whole house. the phone also has about 1 billion ring tones to choose from and none of them are as loud as the alarm tones... if I could use the alarm tones in place of the ring tones...............
 
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I must be jinxed... everything I like is/has been "cancelled"/ discontinued

Romper Room
Captain Kangaroo
Batman
Star Trek
M.A.S.H.
Lochen Ora
Guinness Black Lager
Stoli Green Label
NewCastle Brown Ale
Red Bull Grapefruit
and now....
Monster Kona Blend....

and its all been replaced with crap!!! ;)
 
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@LAwaters @Bronze @Opinionated and well everyone else…may I please I say something?

I am the new kid around here vs all of you as I recently moved into your neighborhood so I do hope my voice isn't taken the wrong way. But if they are please lets talk…all I ask. I am NOT trying to come off as preachy in any way or form or anything like that. Though perhaps one may read it that way but I have NO such intent.

On any forum I have been a part of, at times, it is truthfully hard to really get the temperature, or the vibe, others are trying to communicate. The honest meaning and/or intent (if any). This isn't like we would all be if we were face-to-face communicating. Therein lies the rub. If we were all together we would be getting that all so vital instant feedback which is crucial to all communications. We don't get that online. Although if we were facetiming I don't know that I would have liked you all to have seen that glob of toothpaste I had on my face this morning that I didn't notice for a bit!

On any forum it's so easy for misfires to happen because this is still a relatively new form of communication for all of us loony humans. We've all seen it and been a part of 'stuff'. I know I have (insert visual of SMT smacking himself upside the head). Each of us has been in 'that place'. But that's ok.

Communications. When my wife and I first met, first date, we talked for a long time about relationships and what works and what doesn't. Together we agreed solid honest communications must be the foundation for all to follow. Both of us worked hard to live that for almost 39 years until last year tomorrow when she met the Great Spirit. Communications isn't always pretty, man I know that all too well, but I also know it takes hard work and a willingness to get it right. That is where the reset button lies.

I do believe at heart we all want to get it right and I've learned that I usually get into big trouble when I think with my brain versus my heart.

Seriously we're all just human trying to make the best of what's on our plates and the grace of you know who knows exactly what is on each of our plates. We all got "stuff" and heaven knows we all have more baggage than at times we can carry…but the new day comes as fresh opportunity. So I say with love in heart, come on now, I've met some super beautiful people here and it saddens me when stuff like this happens. I understand 'stuff' happens and that's ok as long as we try again. Right?

Here is a beautiful loving song…it is each of us…listen to the lyrics, feel them. It's you and me together…or we fail as one and I refuse that option!!! There is just too much division nowadays. To some extent we are all guilty of this…we fail to speak up when we should…we look the other way and more…that is not love…it is not natural. We are more alike than we allow ourselves to believe.



Can you believe I first heard that on ESPN?!?!?
When my wife and I first heard this song we had tears flowing, not one or two, many.

I am Human and I am all emotions…powerful. Perfect? No f-ing way but I strive daily for better than yesterday. I look at life as learning…I am forever its student…first and foremost. Keeps me humble.

I look at things like this...when one fails, we all fail. I won't accept that. Thinking from the heart. Love.

I really hesitated to post this for some time. Then I thought "SMT this is you and how you feel" just do it!!!
 

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