Heather's Heavenly Vapes - THE BIG THREAD (Part 6)

[LAwaters]

Yikes all the regulations...deeming and all that, I cannot be the only one who gets a headache from it all.

I could have never been a lawyer (crap I just had a brain fart trying to spell lawyer) or a politician.

When I first started vaping I just couldn't handle all the over-flavored + too sweet juices and I tried many. A buddy whipped me up some unflavored at a high nic level which was fine but dang I wanted some flavor. He and his wife were into DIY and had me over to learn. That was when my AHA moment came. They helped me make some pretty good stuff and taught me a lot in the process. Haven't looked back since.

Like many here I've been stocking up for several years now cause I cannot trust our gov't and it doesn't matter which side it is they all want to mess with the vaping community. $$$ & Big T

A few years ago my doctor was on and on about vaping. She is a wonderful doctor but finally at one appointment I just told her one of those little white lies..."I quit vaping"...just to get her off my back. They don't need to know everything.

Thing is the UK, Canada and a couple other countries have taken a more, dare I say, liberal and perhaps intelligent stance on vaping. While here it has been made into a major cluster-f of epic proportions. Laughing stock of the world.

Just of bunch of crap!!! Sometimes I would like to flush all them crappers down the proverbial toilet.

This post is a winner on multiple levels. Not least of which is your generous use of CRAP!!! Well done! Applause! Applause!

I agree with all you've said. I am a realistic optimist. I think this mess in the US is reaching some epic showdown... or the absurd aspects of the regulations will slink away.

(This is my personal view on it -- not representative of HHV. Heather and Adam want to be responsible, legal and continue helping people switch to vaping.)

 

[ShowMeTwice]

Where in Milwaukee are you. My uncle who I got the Coronet from lived I believe it was 4th and Washington?

Do you know where the Milwaukee Brewers play (Miller Park) and used to be county stadium? Right along I-94? I live less than 1/2 of a mile NW from the stadium a whisker or two north of I-94. Just south of Bluemound Ave on a street called Stevenson. Wow my mom grew up one block away from 4th and Washington St on 5th and Mineral St. That's not far from me at all maybe a 10 minute ride at most.

As a kid I grew up about 2 miles south of where I'm at now and my wife grew up less than a 1/4 of a mile from there in West Allis. High school sweethearts. There are a lot of old houses around here. We always liked the charm of the older ones. Ours was built 70 years ago ('49) which is kind of modern compared to many around here.

 

[ShowMeTwice]

@Bunnykiller here's one to start your day.

One day, you wake up and everyone has a number over their heads. The number is counting down by the second. Eventually, someone's number reaches zero, and....

 

[ShowMeTwice]

Night all, I'm out to rest my brain after I pushed it full tilt today. Off the charger I go.

A good and happy morning and a great day to all!!!

 

[Opinionated]

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[LAwaters]

Honestly - from the response I got tonight I'm rather not believing that anymore. I bought it hook line and sinker until tonight.

Let's face it, I have periodically been buying ejuice from them when I usually DIY, as well as spreading their name over the forum thinking we were supporting a company who was planning to stick around past deeming.

Now what I see is a company that is just taking what they can and shutting down when deeming hits.

And I'm told to basically shut up when I ask questions because it's no fun to talk about. Well no, it's no fun to talk about, but it is important that we know ..

Have fun... see ya around. I won't dampen the mood around here for you.

Talk about ......

This is an unfortunate misinterpretation of my responses and the discussions that followed your questions. I’ve re-read all of it and can find nowhere that anyone told you “to basically shut up.”

The topic is a frustrating and upsetting one for all vapers. I’m not here to argue or insult anyone.

I will say that any small to medium sized vape company still around is not in it for the money. HHV included, and especially. Since the Deeming, many vendors severely cut their product line because they could not afford the initial compliance steps. This is not a massively profitable industry for small scale manufacturers. Heather and Adam chose to remain and to invest in achieving compliance on their entire line, other than removing the 6 mL bottles because the label compliance was impossible on that bottle size.

I heard their distress firsthand. Ultimately they decided to remain for the very reason they began — they believe in vaping and want to help people. As Adam told everyone here on ECF, they will stay until the FDA makes it impossible to stay. They are committed to vaping. Like many in the industry, they hope that clarifying legislation will help small vendors like them to continue. At present it’s in an unreasonable state.

The burden has been on the FDA to provide guidelines as required and as they have promised to do for over 10 years.

That all needs to be said because it is the truth.

 

[Bronze]

I'll keep my damn opinion to myself..

At least you told us the truth tonight.. people just want our money and then gone ...

Screw that.

Opin, you edited your post. Either version just demonstrated your utter misunderstanding of this topic. And don’t tell me I misunderstand it when I have been a part of it from day one. I have no idea what you expect from HHV or any vape vendor. They are a business who are entitled to make a profit. They take some of those profits to support advocacy. What else do you want them to do? No one, and I mean NO ONE, can afford the application costs. It’s not even remotely possible. If you have a problem with a business making money then good luck finding a vendor.

No one asked you to keep your opinion to yourself. That doesn’t happen here. Neither does attacking someone for simply giving theirs.

If you’re going to fly off the handle that easily then perhaps you are better off frequenting elsewhere. You’re out of line!

 

[Bunnykiller]

How do you do a system reset on our country (USA)?

Anyone?

its the BIG RED Button on the Presidents desk... North Korea knows about it

 

[Bunnykiller]

After pondering this and some quick research I come up with the following:

Gravity always points inwards towards its center.

You may not want to go there but an adventuresome type like myself just might no matter the pull...just to feel the attraction.

ahhh... but consider this.. if you go to the center of the universes gravity, you will be pulled apart from all the mass that surrounds you do to its gravity....

 

[Bunnykiller]

Speaking of Top 5 books, the top 3 that immediately come to mind:

Empire of the Summer Moon: (S.C. Gwynne) - The true story of the Comanche nation and the rise and fall of Quanah Parker. An unbelievably riveting, fascinating and heartbreaking story that details the Comanche struggle without sugar coating the atrocities committed by, or against, the Comanches. I bought it at the airport, started reading it on the plane, and was completely engrossed by Page 3.

Gates of Fire (Stephen Pressfield) - Historical fiction recalling the events of the Battle of Thermopylae (The 300 Spartans story). I can't recommend this one highly enough. This one kept me up WAY too late several nights in a row, and caused me to go to work in a sleep deprived state.

Seabiscuit (Laura Hillenbrand).

I'll have to whittle down a list of several others to get down to just two more.

1 more book...

When Life Isnt Worth Living, By Sue E. Syde

had a whole list of them but forgot what they were...

How To Improve Your Memory, By Forge T. Menot

 

[Bunnykiller]

@Bunnykiller here's one to start your day.

One day, you wake up and everyone has a number over their heads. The number is counting down by the second. Eventually, someone's number reaches zero, and....

it starts going from 0 back towards infinity...

 

[Bunnykiller]

new bumper sticker

Tailgaters are like Azzoles
Always on my ....
and full of CRAP



there ya go a crap usage

 

[Opinionated]

Opin, you edited your post. Either version just demonstrated your utter misunderstanding of this topic. And don’t tell me I misunderstand it when I have been a part of it from day one. I have no idea what you expect from HHV or any vape vendor. They are a business who are entitled to make a profit. They take some of those profits to support advocacy. What else do you want them to do? No one, and I mean NO ONE, can afford the application costs. It’s not even remotely possible. If you have a problem with a business making money then good luck finding a vendor.

No one asked you to keep your opinion to yourself. That doesn’t happen here. Neither does attacking someone for simply giving theirs.

If you’re going to fly off the handle that easily then perhaps you are better off frequenting elsewhere. You’re out of line!

I don't expect anyone not to make a profit.. I expect anyone who gets FDA approval will actually make one... more so than those who don't

My assumptions were that some people would take the financial chance and apply for that approval.

Is it expensive? Hell yes... but it is worth it for the few who make it through to the other side? More than worth it.

Hell bronze LA said some B.S. story some time ago that led me to believe HHV was planning on applying for one or two of their flavors..

I don't remember WHAT was said but I remember the impression I got from it - and I was gullible enough to fall for it hook line and sinker.

So much so, while not often because of finances, every single time I bought ejuice from HHV I thought I was supporting someone who was putting through their application.

So much so every time I shared an HHV link on forum I thought I was supporting someone who was trying to get FDA approval and be here beyond deeming.

Does that make me a fool? Well hell yes. No one really likes to be played yet here I am... I fell for advertising because I wanted to believe that I wasn't being lied to, because I was dumb enough not to read between the lines.

Am I a little upset from asking a question yesterday and then finding out I've spend a long time believing a lie and then being told a conversation about .... was too much fun to be bothered?

A little bit.. the whole thing is upsetting, and yes.. I don't belong here - your right.

Apparently vapers don't have a vendor one that is trying to stick around or get approval from the government to continue to operate.

We are all on our own past deeming. Got it.

Honestly, I feel like people in this thread are saying how dare I expect anyone to actually apply for approval. And that, in the end, is just stupid. Yes. I expected someone to apply.. yes.. I guess that makes me the idiot.

Complaining about the government will only go so far toward FDA approval...

 

[Bunnykiller]

I see what you are feeling O... things should be done properly, follow the rules and do it right.... but hold on and consider this...

from what Ive heard/read a company APPLIES for the form, sends in the 300K$ fees and a sample of THE juice and just hopes that it will be approved per sample sent. TBH I really wouldnt want to spend 300K$ on something that wont most likely get approved. There are no set in stone rules as of yet as to what rules need to be met to make sure that the product a company sends in to be tested will get approved, no guide lines, no parameters have been established... its too " willy nilly" at the moment... remember, we are dealing with the government, and they even dont even know what they are doing...

lets say one wants to do the same thing but in a food venue... ohhh... for example a chocolate gooey cake... but you have 3 different recipes for it, the only difference is the amount of sugar used. One uses 5 tbl spoons of sugar, the next is 7 tbl spoons of sugar and the final one has 9 tbl spoons of sugar in it...just because your customers want the availability to have more sugar per dose of cake. So, one now needs to send whomever 900,000$ to the government to test the 3 recipes and approve them for sale to the public... Imagine all the chocolate cake one would have to sell to cover the costs of the 900K$ fees for approval.

So one would have to spend almost a million dollars for 3 recipes to sell it to the public. My gut feeling is that just wont work. My question is why does it cost 300K$ to test a product???????? Seriously, come on, 300K$, to test a product? thats more than I make in 5 yrs of busting my ....... but lets get back to the math... HHV would have to spend over 1.8 billion$ to cover ALL their flavors and variations for testing....

1.8 billion.... just to be approved to sell their product to the public... that would be like me spending 1000$ in gas to make a 10$. It just doesnt work...

only if WE had the option of telling the government that we dont like the way they are spending our tax dollars on the BS they are wasting it on and quit paying taxes to make them do what WE have to do when things get tight... e.g. CUT BACK on everything... I wonder if "they" ever had to eat Ramen Noodles for a couple of weeks to make ends meet.... i seriously doubt it....

Give HHV cudos for at least trying to keep things kosher and affordable... believe me... things could be worse and totally expensive ( unaffordable) if they had to " follow the rules" at the moment.

let it play thru and see what happens, hopefully things will settle out and a hint of intelligence sets in and things settle out Properly............

 

[Bunnykiller]

well... its been an interesting " morning" even with all the crap thats been thrown into the conversation...

oh ....! i used the word crap

lets see what gets censored

 

[Bunnykiller]

lol.... .... got censored but crap didnt

 

[Bunnykiller]

now seriously, tell me what the difference is between .... and crap and shyte and why some get nannysized and others dont

 

[Bunnykiller]

awwww ... its daylite... time to go to bed/sleep...

Mornin All...

but in my case ... Niters All...

 

[DavidOH]

Morning.....

 

[Bronze]

I don't expect anyone not to make a profit.. I expect anyone who gets FDA approval will actually make one... more so than those who don't

My assumptions were that some people would take the financial chance and apply for that approval.

Is it expensive? Hell yes... but it is worth it for the few who make it through to the other side? More than worth it.

Hell bronze LA said some B.S. story some time ago that led me to believe HHV was planning on applying for one or two of their flavors..

I don't remember WHAT was said but I remember the impression I got from it - and I was gullible enough to fall for it hook line and sinker.

So much so, while not often because of finances, every single time I bought ejuice from HHV I thought I was supporting someone who was putting through their application.

So much so every time I shared an HHV link on forum I thought I was supporting someone who was trying to get FDA approval and be here beyond deeming.

Does that make me a fool? Well hell yes. No one really likes to be played yet here I am... I fell for advertising because I wanted to believe that I wasn't being lied to, because I was dumb enough not to read between the lines.

Am I a little upset from asking a question yesterday and then finding out I've spend a long time believing a lie and then being told a conversation about .... was too much fun to be bothered?

A little bit.. the whole thing is upsetting, and yes.. I don't belong here - your right.

Apparently vapers don't have a vendor one that is trying to stick around or get approval from the government to continue to operate.

We are all on our own past deeming. Got it.

Honestly, I feel like people in this thread are saying how dare I expect anyone to actually apply for approval. And that, in the end, is just stupid. Yes. I expected someone to apply.. yes.. I guess that makes me the idiot.

Complaining about the government will only go so far toward FDA approval...

Lori NEVER told you any BS story. Had she, I would have jumped her case and I would have to stand in line to wait my turn. And I read every post in this thread. Lori is not a BSer. She doesn't even know how to BS. It's not in her fiber. It seriously does not take a math degree to figure out that it is impossible for 99.999% of vape vendors to afford the application process. They cannot even afford one single application at $300K. Multiply by the number of product variations and it's mind boggling. It would put them out of business which is exactly what Deeming is designed to do. The only defense any of these vendors have is to donate what little they can toward advocacy. That's all they can do. In the end we/they are at the mercy of the FDA. And infighting among us only takes away what little pull we have.