How are you preparing for the vapocalypse?
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You know we do and it will be really easy for you to get the information you need to make juice
So crunching a couple of numbers (with the help of eJuice Me Up), if you buy one liter of 100 mg/ml nic base, it will make pretty close to 20 liters (20,000 ml) of 5 mg/ml juice.
If you vape 5 ml a day, 20,000 ml total/5 ml per day = 4,000 days. Divide 4,000 days by 365 days per year = 10.96 years.
I also suggest you buy the nic base in 100% PG because I believe PG will last longer than VG.
So going with this would be a good start? 1000 ml of 100 mg Flavorless Nicotine Liquid
In PG base. Then transfer to smaller glass bottles? Or can I just store it as is until it absolutely becomes necessary?
Truth be told, I won't use it unless I absolutely have no choice LOL
I have a chest freezer so storage is not a problem. Even have a spot all picked out
Can it be ordered in small enough bottles (glass) where I don't have to transfer and just pop the bottles into the freezer?
Since nic may not make it across the border I am not familiar with stateside options.
Perhaps Nude Armor Nicotine Base - EXTENDED SHELF LIFE - Nude Nicotine
Many like these Green European Dropper Bottles - More Info in the 100 ml size
Hmm I like the Nude Nicotine options. I could get it in the 70/30 PG/VG in 6mg in 4 bottles, with 125ml in each, ready to just put in the freezer. Already in glass. Even if I drop my nic mg, god only knows where I will be when I ever get into it, I could half it somehow.
So much to think about but links have been bookmarked.
PS: I am stateside. Treasure coast is in Florida
You are probably better off with the 100% PG. You're going to have to add PG and VG to the nic base anyway and the consensus seems to be that PG lasts longer. Annnnd, don't forget to read the DIY stickies, missy.
Wow 31 pages, wish I were in the nic business! Since I posted this thread there have been some updates in Oregon. The flavor ban adopted an amendment to exclude ecigarette products (thank god), and currently our advocates are gaining some solid ground on getting vape shops excluded on the indoor vaping ban, the senator who was sponsoring the bill is saying she now sides with the vapers on that (phew!). Nothing new on the online sales ban, that's the other horrible one, but the public hearing for it made a pretty good case for us. Nic becoming a scheduled substance is probably happening, for here in Oregon it looks like we'll have a whole year or so to prepare though.
You are stateside, I am not.
If that works for you great, a couple of points to consider.
1) It is generally accepted that higher concentrations store best, they have a better oxygen to nic ratio. Packed in inert gas it probably doesn't matter.
2) I think most are buying 100 mg/ml and mixing down, for you 1 liter of 100 mg/ml will make 20 liters of 5 mg/ml.
Mix down is easy. I use a syringe to draw the nic and graduated cylinders for the PV/VG.
Purists may shudder but it works for me.
It is a nice feeling to know one has supplies make gallons of jooze.
If that works for you great, a couple of points to consider.
1) It is generally accepted that higher concentrations store best, they have a better oxygen to nic ratio. Packed in inert gas it probably doesn't matter.
2) I think most are buying 100 mg/ml and mixing down, for you 1 liter of 100 mg/ml will make 20 liters of 5 mg/ml.
Mix down is easy. I use a syringe to draw the nic and graduated cylinders for the PV/VG.
Purists may shudder but it works for me.
It is a nice feeling to know one has supplies make gallons of jooze.
I have a chest freezer so storage is not a problem. Even have a spot all picked out
Can it be ordered in small enough bottles (glass) where I don't have to transfer and just pop the bottles into the freezer?
I'll add
Most people do buy 100mg in PG and store in glass. Most nic is not shipped in glass due to breakage however the plastic it comes in is usually resillant enough to last for a year frozen without breaking down. So that gives you some time. The hassle with 100mg is that your on your own sourcing PG/VG later, shipping gets expensive, adds to the hassles and so on.
I put wrapping coils on about the same level as cleaning toliets. It's not that I can't. It's that I don't have any interest in it. Kudo's to those that love it because it's differences like that which makes the world go around.
If you don't want to hassle with mixing, don't. There is not that much difference between storing in PG or VG or PG/VG base and it's extremely convienent to have nic already to go - just add flavor and you've got the space. About the only thing you'll need to do is transfer to glass bottles. I don't think it's necessary to go full steam ahead into DIY. It can be simple. If nic is pre-mixed, that avoids the fuss with beakers, syringes, pipettes and stuff.
Just know that additional tools and help are available so you can make an informed choice. You might even want to mix n' match some nic in a working base < 2yrs and 100mg for longer term storage. Whatever works.
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Yes, but it costs more. All my long-term nic is from Nude, their "Armor" product, in 125ml glass bottles, which has the air in the headspace displaced with inert argon gas. I'm willing to pay the extra to avoid having to transfer 100mg into other bottles, not because I'm afraid of doing so, but because transferring it is just another opportunity for air (and thus oxygen) to get into the bottle with the nic. The only downside to it is that it costs about 3x as much as the least expensive nic per liter. I look at it this way: I'm still spending less for a two year supply of nic than I used to spend on cigarettes in two weeks.I have a chest freezer so storage is not a problem. Even have a spot all picked out
Can it be ordered in small enough bottles (glass) where I don't have to transfer and just pop the bottles into the freezer?
This will probably make the OCD DIYer crazy, but I've mixed down 100 mg base into my preferred 15mg without any of that. I took a 125 mg bottle of of 100mg base, dumped it into a 1 liter wide-mouthed plastic bottle that I'd bought iced tea in (I think the brand was Gold Peak). I measured out VG and PG using the now empty 125ml bottle the nic base came in and added that to the 1l bottle. What I ended up with was about 800ml of 15 mg 30/70. Shook it well, let it sit for a while, lather, rinse, repeat, and decant into 125ml bottles from there.
For flavorings, I buy the German Flavors from VT. They come in 10ml bottles. I take an empty 30ml bottle, count out drops of flavoring into the empty bottle, fill with my unflavored mix, close and shake.
There you have it, DIY without any of the "gear" that's supposedly necessary.
They're pretty accommodating. I've ordered pre-mix from them and they were entirely willing to make 15 for me, so I imagine if you want 5 instead of 6, they will do that as well. The catch is, their pre-mix ships in plastic, not glass. Remember though, it will take up TWENTY times as much space in your freezer as 100mg base would, which might be an issue if like me, you figure you might be around and wanting to vape for another 30 years.
Indeed, it is. Winter? Ain't nobody got time for dat!Treasure coast is in Florida
Aw, Robino. I was just getting ready to destroy the right wing nut jobs with a refreshing blast of science and facts.
I just started mixing a month ago. It was scary to think about but it turned out to be quite easy.
One suggestion. There are flavor manufacturers who do ready to go mixtures so you only need one flavor to make a good juice. I use Nude Nicotine. I got 10 of their small sample bottles. Several were really good, there were only a couple I didn't like at all. That's a good way to start. If you want to be adventurous you can move up to mixing your own recipes, but you don't really need to go there.
The only downside to DIY is that the flavourings have a limited shelf life. NN recommend 1 year. I don't know whether flavours will still be available if the regs go the wrong way. In theory it should still be possible to buy them since they are used for other purposes, but we would have to figure out ourselves which ones were suitable for vaping. Hopefully the experts on ECF would figure that out for the rest of us.
This will probably make the OCD DIYer crazy, but I've mixed down 100 mg base into my preferred 15mg without any of that. I took a 125 mg bottle of of 100mg base, dumped it into a 1 liter wide-mouthed plastic bottle that I'd bought iced tea in (I think the brand was Gold Peak). I measured out VG and PG using the now empty 125ml bottle the nic base came in and added that to the 1l bottle. What I ended up with was about 800ml of 15 mg 30/70. Shook it well, let it sit for a while, lather, rinse, repeat, and decant into 125ml bottles from there.
For flavorings, I buy the German Flavors from VT. They come in 10ml bottles. I take an empty 30ml bottle, count out drops of flavoring into the empty bottle, fill with my unflavored mix, close and shake.
There you have it, DIY without any of the "gear" that's supposedly necessary.
That was my experience too. I read hundreds of posts and blogs and ordered a box full of syringes and beakers and all that stuff. I don't use very much of it. Found a simple method that worked for me.
I mix at a total volume of 300 ml unflavored. At that volume being off a ml is not critical. My nicotine concentration is relatively low, so I don't get too worked up. I find staying with multiples of 10 makes the calculation easy. I also stopped attempting exotic multi-flavored mixtures, I have a lot of failed mixtures suitable for nothing. I stay with three flavors. I shoot some of my bulk unflavored into a 50 ml bottle and drop flavor with an eye dropper. Steep a bit and either dilute with more unflavored or add flavor which ever suits me.
If you stick with "10's" you can easily transform a small test mixture formula to a large mixture formula with little knowledge of how to do ratios. I say this with great authority because I have forgotten everything I ever knew about ratios, I forget now if I ever knew anything about ratios.
And because I am old and lack all indicia of self-restraint, I add this just for Robino1: Never trust those who seek to govern you.
If you stick with "10's" you can easily transform a small test mixture formula to a large mixture formula with little knowledge of how to do ratios. I say this with great authority because I have forgotten everything I ever knew about ratios, I forget now if I ever knew anything about ratios.
And because I am old and lack all indicia of self-restraint, I add this just for Robino1: Never trust those who seek to govern you.
This will probably make the OCD DIYer crazy, but I've mixed down 100 mg base into my preferred 15mg without any of that. I took a 125 mg bottle of of 100mg base, dumped it into a 1 liter wide-mouthed plastic bottle that I'd bought iced tea in (I think the brand was Gold Peak). I measured out VG and PG using the now empty 125ml bottle the nic base came in and added that to the 1l bottle. What I ended up with was about 800ml of 15 mg 30/70. Shook it well, let it sit for a while, lather, rinse, repeat, and decant into 125ml bottles from there.
For flavorings, I buy the German Flavors from VT. They come in 10ml bottles. I take an empty 30ml bottle, count out drops of flavoring into the empty bottle, fill with my unflavored mix, close and shake.
There you have it, DIY without any of the "gear" that's supposedly necessary.
and that dear sir is exactly why all this hand wringing over who,
how or where one makes juice is a total ANTZ attitude.
regards
mike
I think I have decided to go with the Nude Nicotine and their Ready For the Freezer bottles 100% nic pg based, split into 4 - 125ml bottles just to start.
My brain hurts and so does my heart. I truly did not want to see the day that I would actually think about stocking up.
Aikanae, I am like you in that I do not like wrapping coils. I do it when I have to and boy do I put off doing it
So to start, I will get the 100mg base in PG for now and think about the pre mix down the road a bit. I can always figure out percentages and all that when/if it comes down to it. Who knows what is going to happen down the road? I really hope this will all be for naught.
I figure do one order this month and another in a couple of months etc... Just before the
hits the fan, then do some pre mix orders. That would give me some time to figure out the DIY thing. I have simple tastes, I have been using the same flavor for over a year without changing up, so I could probably have no problem vaping unflavored. I know many that like the unflavored.
My brain hurts and so does my heart. I truly did not want to see the day that I would actually think about stocking up.
Aikanae, I am like you in that I do not like wrapping coils. I do it when I have to and boy do I put off doing it
So to start, I will get the 100mg base in PG for now and think about the pre mix down the road a bit. I can always figure out percentages and all that when/if it comes down to it. Who knows what is going to happen down the road? I really hope this will all be for naught.
I figure do one order this month and another in a couple of months etc... Just before the
hits the fan, then do some pre mix orders. That would give me some time to figure out the DIY thing. I have simple tastes, I have been using the same flavor for over a year without changing up, so I could probably have no problem vaping unflavored. I know many that like the unflavored.
I think I have decided to go with the Nude Nicotine and their Ready For the Freezer bottles 100% nic pg based, split into 4 - 125ml bottles just to start.
My brain hurts and so does my heart. I truly did not want to see the day that I would actually think about stocking up.
Aikanae, I am like you in that I do not like wrapping coils. I do it when I have to and boy do I put off doing it
So to start, I will get the 100mg base in PG for now and think about the pre mix down the road a bit. I can always figure out percentages and all that when/if it comes down to it. Who knows what is going to happen down the road? I really hope this will all be for naught.
I figure do one order this month and another in a couple of months etc... Just before the
The extra cost of going that route is a drop in the bucket compared to what pre-mix currently costs and a drop in the ocean of what pre-mix is going to cost in the not to distant future. I may consider it because breaking down a liter into 120ml bottles requires sterilizing and steady hand dispensing. Opening a package and tossing in the freezer sounds appealing. lol
I recently pulled a 15 month old bottle of 100mg/ml nic out of the freezer (I only keep 120mls out of the deep freeze at a time) and it was perfectly clear and seemed as good as the day I bought it. Even when it yellows a little bit over the 3 months it's out of the freezer there is no difference in taste and probably marginal to even unnoticeable difference in strength. I have a couple kits to test strength but I'm going to wait another year or 2 before worrying about it.
I have 5 recipes locked in that I'll never grow tired of. I mix a 6 month supply at a time so the "task" of mixing my own is only 2-3 times a year. I've bought a total of 90mls of premix in the last year and I didn't even care for it that much.
I personally prefer the syringe and ejuice me up calculator method. It's really really easy. It's like baking. Just make sure you add exactly what your printed recipe says. Once you do it a couple times you'll be like "wow, it's that easy?!?". Others do drops of flavors and graduated cylinders and others use a scale and do it by weight. I personally find the syringe method too easy to switch. There are no wrong methods as long as you add the correct amounts. It's not an exacting science either. You may intend on making a 50/50 blend @ 12mg/ml strength but in the end you end up making 47/53 @ 11.7mg/ml strength. But it makes no difference because you can't tell the difference.
Here's my home made mixing tray and lockable storage box ($20 tool box from home depot). I glued cushion foam to foam board and cut holes for my ingredients. I use small wide mouthed glass jars for nic/pg/vg and refill them as I go. Makes it super easy to draw into a syringe because they're clear and shallow so you don't need to dig deep or try to look through tinted glass. The foam keeps everything secure and upright so no spills either. Everyone has their own method. As long as your ingredients are secure and easy to get to then it's simple and worry free.
I can only say what I did (right or wrong, it's what I did/do)
I bought my nic base (100mg in PG) in 500ml bottles (compromise between freezer space and leaving bottles sealed for long term storage)
I then mix 400ml at 12mg and put it in a pint canning jar (that's about 3-4 months worth of juice for the way I vape).
All I use to mix with is a glass measuring cup (one side is marked in cups, and the other in ml)
For my 50/50 mix @ 12mg, it's really easy. 50ml of nic base, 150ml of PG, and 200ml of VG.
I then just draw off 30ml with a big "irrigation" syringe when I need a bottle of juice, and add 10-15 drops of whatever flavoring I want.
Most important!
Shake that nic base BEFORE mixing!
I bought my nic base (100mg in PG) in 500ml bottles (compromise between freezer space and leaving bottles sealed for long term storage)
I then mix 400ml at 12mg and put it in a pint canning jar (that's about 3-4 months worth of juice for the way I vape).
All I use to mix with is a glass measuring cup (one side is marked in cups, and the other in ml)
For my 50/50 mix @ 12mg, it's really easy. 50ml of nic base, 150ml of PG, and 200ml of VG.
I then just draw off 30ml with a big "irrigation" syringe when I need a bottle of juice, and add 10-15 drops of whatever flavoring I want.
Most important!
Shake that nic base BEFORE mixing!
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