How are you preparing for the vapocalypse?

[jseah]

they will have to verify each and every order to insure its
for an intended use or the government will ban all but
point of purchase sales.
the systems are already being put in place. here in
Minnesota they scan your I.D. at the cash register
when reloading or purchasing pre-paid credit cards.
adding more things to the list will not be a problem.

regards
mike

Same thing anywhere in the US if you purchase any over the counter cold or allergy medicines containing Sudafed.

 

[Rossum]

what worries me is that some think in this day and age simply stockpiling
certain things like nic base and whatever they have on there list will be
ample protection from the excesses of over regulation and taxation.
i don't think the FDA is going to leave any horses out of the barn this
time around. they will simply make the possession of any materials
intended for the use in making non-FDA approved juice or non-FDA
approved e-cig components illegal.

I do not think that the laws, as currently written, give the FDA the power to do that. If I'm right, then Congress would have to pass new anti-vaping/anti-nicotine laws first.

Is it possible for government to make the stuff we already have illegal? Yeah, in principle it is. But even the Volstead Act didn't ban possession and consumption of booze people already had on hand, so I'm having a real hard time with the concept that they'd get so heavy-handed. In the unlikely event they do, the question would become: How many people would fail to recognize government's moral authority to do that?

 

[Woofer]

Raises hand

 

[puffon]

My opinion:

Once a system is in place, to replace tax revenues lost due to vaping, vaping will be allowed to continue, nothing will be banned.
The FDA cares nothing about our health. If they did smoking would be banned.
Its all about the money, for the Government,BT and BP............

 

[CMD-Ky]

I do not think that the laws, as currently written, give the FDA the power to do that. If I'm right, then Congress would have to pass new anti-vaping/anti-nicotine laws first.

Is it possible for government to make the stuff we already have illegal? Yeah, in principle it is. But even the Volstead Act didn't ban possession and consumption of booze people already had on hand, so I'm having a real hard time with the concept that they'd get so heavy-handed. In the unlikely event they do, the question would become: How many people would fail to recognize government's moral authority to do that?

In another time, I would agree. However, the president who has "a phone" and has "a pen" is capable of violating or ignoring any law as he sees fit. After all, he has to "do the right thing"; this what the American people want. I fear that too many people "feel" that the government has the moral authority to do what ever may be perceived as good. We have no boarders, coal is finished, the internet will soon be neutral, phones are provided, rent is paid, food is bought, utilities given, medical care is provided and on. We are on the precipice of a dictatorship and I see no effective opposition.

 

[Woofer]

The worst of it as it affects my vaping is that I must guess roughly how long I want to live.
I admit to growing tired of mountains of BS piled apparently for my benefit.

 

[Bad Ninja]

if that is what the FDA intends to do,they can and will do it.
they will do it before vaping gets to big as to harm producers.
if the government tells the industry to comply,they will comply.
this it will never happen stuff will vaporize right before our eyes.
its the only way they can control it as e-juice is incredibly easy
to make.

regards
mike

The FDA follows whatever big pharma says.
Obamas new appointee Ready to take over works for Merck, Bristol-Myers Squibb, Eli Lilly and Novartis.

They make money selling federal approval of drugs.
It costs almost 100million to get FDA approval for a new drug.
It's a racket. The FDA should be disbanded.
They are not an entity that cares what harms you.
They regulated for a fee.
It's no secret, check for yourself.
The pharmaceutical industry owned the FDA.
They have for many years.

 

[CMD-Ky]

The FDA follows whatever big pharma says.
Obamas new appointee Ready to take over works for Merck, Bristol-Myers Squibb, Eli Lilly and Novartis.

They make money selling federal approval of drugs.
It costs almost 100million to get FDA approval for a new drug.
It's a racket. The FDA should be disbanded.
They are not an entity that cares what harms you.
They regulated for a fee.
It's no secret, check for yourself.
The pharmaceutical industry owned the FDA.
They have for many years.

After all, the final clinical trial of any drug is when they release the drug upon the general public. This feeds two beasts, the pharmaceutical industry first and then, later, the trial lawyers. What a deal, then both contribute to the politicians to assure continuation of the corruption. Call 800-triallawyer for a free consult.

 

[Woofer]

Yes that is the way to roll in the "land of the fee and home of the behaved ".

 

[beckdg]

There's too much to agree with here. Where's my buddy. I miss him so...

Tapatyped

 

[subohms4you]

Lets all be honest right now! Big tobacco corporations are just ...... because of how much money they are losing. Aww poor babies

 

[beckdg]

WOW!

Is that creepy or what?

Tapatyped

 

[Hitmetwice]

A couple/few mechs, a few rebuildables...done.

Nic or no nic. just doesn't matter to me anymore with low ohm vaping.

Everything else will still be available. imo.

The sky isn't falling chicken little(vendors too) like you'd like us all to believe.

It's just "cloudy with a chance of meatballs" as PBusardo would say.

BTW. I don't think zombies are real either. lol. Cheers.

 

[Bad Ninja]

A couple/few mechs, a few rebuildables...done.

Nic or no nic. just doesn't matter to me anymore with low ohm vaping.

Everything else will still be available. imo.

The sky isn't falling chicken little(vendors too) like you'd like us all to believe.

It's just "cloudy with a chance of meatballs" as PBusardo would say.

BTW. I don't think zombies are real either. lol. Cheers.

Don't say I didn't warn you, when rotting hordes of the undead are feasting on your flesh.
Zombie apocalypse..... Oh yeah....it's comin'.

 

[Alien Traveler]

The FDA follows whatever big pharma says.
Obamas new appointee Ready to take over works for Merck, Bristol-Myers Squibb, Eli Lilly and Novartis.

They make money selling federal approval of drugs.
It costs almost 100million to get FDA approval for a new drug.
It's a racket. The FDA should be disbanded.
They are not an entity that cares what harms you.
They regulated for a fee.
It's no secret, check for yourself.
The pharmaceutical industry owned the FDA.
They have for many years.

Conspiracy theories are blooming.

 

[Woofer]

Busardo has had more then enough meatballs.
I don't care if the sky falls, it will not crush my freezer.
Zombies will anger me only if they are pro-regulation.

 

[Bad Ninja]

Conspiracy theories are blooming.

What conspiracy? It's all in plain sight.
The nominee said he was an active paid consultant for those companies as part of his conflict of interest disclosure.
Makes over 100k a year advising drug companies.
He's about to be the new head of the FDA.
Yeah, your health is what's important.
No conflict of interest there.


Don't get me started on the zombies.
Just remember.... Double tap. Ammo is cheap. Life isn't.

 

[cinetrope]

I'm an active member of CASAA and I respond to every CTA that effects the country as a whole, (FDA Deeming Regs for example) the state I live in, and the states where companies I do business with are located. I try to politely encourage people here and on Twitter to do the same. Using the Zombie Apocalypse as metaphor, if someone had taken out the very first zombie before they started biting, it would have ended right there.

 

[Vermonster13]

So new regs have caused MBV to drop over 100 flavors. Maybe not so funny anymore.

 

[skoony]

I do not think that the laws, as currently written, give the FDA the power to do that. If I'm right, then Congress would have to pass new anti-vaping/anti-nicotine laws first.

Is it possible for government to make the stuff we already have illegal? Yeah, in principle it is. But even the Volstead Act didn't ban possession and consumption of booze people already had on hand, so I'm having a real hard time with the concept that they'd get so heavy-handed. In the unlikely event they do, the question would become: How many people would fail to recognize government's moral authority to do that?

my thoughts are they know from past experience they will have
to be very draconian in their approach to regulations if in fact the
end game is to hand everything over to BT and BP. i mention BP
because in a worst case scenario they would make the juice to
pharmaceutical standards as they will claim its the only way to
guarantee the safety for consumers. this is all doom and gloom
worst case speculation on my part.
after reading the proposed deeming regulations twice i am still
not sure what there intent is. it contradicts itself many times.
in one part it says it can't regulate the hard ware in another part
it says they can and will regulate the hard ware. the same holds
true for how and why they handle nicotine itself. Zeller says they can't
regulate nicotine from a non-tobacco source. the deeming regs indicate
they consider nicotine to be derived from (not a derivative of) tobacco.
that puts nicotine from any source under there thumb.
i a not saying they will come down hard on us but,if they are serious
i don't see any other way for them to proceed. regulation creep will take
to much time considering the availability of the raw ingredients and us
having the internet,thus the world as our suppliers. i think they will
be going for the whole nine yards at once in hopes that the courts
can't do anything. after reading the pertinent legislation i believe they have
the authority to deem what they want and only congress can interfere.
i do agree with you in that as for supplies already in your possession
there might not be anything to be done about that. however be careful
on how much you have have on hand. too much of of any arbitrarily
deemed raw material may be considered proof of intent to distribute.

regards
mike