How are you preparing for the vapocalypse?

[Saltlifeoutlaw]

Thankfully, Alabama is the last to usually do anything! Lol, so hopefully I'll be good for a long time.

 

[caramel]

i mention BP
because in a worst case scenario they would make the juice to
pharmaceutical standards as they will claim its the only way to
guarantee the safety for consumers.

Maybe they should get into the soft drinks market too.

 

[vape-addict]

The trouble with stockpiling nic is maybe illegal to have it in your possession..I can see the headlines now the DEA or ATF raiding houses if you have more than a 1/2 ounce ..and don't give me the line about vegetables it would take a truckload for a few milligrams.Advocacy is the only way to avoid it

 

[OlderNDirt]

So new regs have caused MBV to drop over 100 flavors. Maybe not so funny anymore.

I got their e-mail newsletter today linking to their forum, so took a look. In the one thread I read through, there are several references to "pending FDA regulations" in response to inquiries about their juice and why there were changes. I highly doubt they would institute changes to the detriment of their customers, and in turn their business and income, due to "a chance" regulation may occur.

 

[Vermonster13]

Don't be so sure.

Retired Flavors | My Blog

 

[fxRich]

If all else fails people who vape could buy organic insecticide 40% nicotine 60%water, and use that to mix juices. I can't see it getting to that point, and hope that it don't. Government regulations sometimes do more harm than good.


I got the ingredience off a bottle of insecticide out in the garage.

 

[Bad Ninja]

The trouble with stockpiling nic is maybe illegal to have it in your possession..I can see the headlines now the DEA or ATF raiding houses if you have more than a 1/2 ounce ..and don't give me the line about vegetables it would take a truckload for a few milligrams.Advocacy is the only way to avoid it

Are ya really so deluded that you believe storm troopers will raid your home for nic?
Omg.
x100.
I give up.

 

[CMD-Ky]

Are ya really so deluded that you believe storm troopers will raid your home for nic?
Omg.
x100.
I give up.

Not in my lifetime, no, I do not believe in raids by the storm troopers. I know that U.S. soldiers and law enforcement officers have the capacity to kill citizens under the orders of superiors. I recall Kent State, Ruby Ridge and Waco and unrestrained SWAT raids. I see militarized police departments populated by officers who define the job as "us versus them" with the "them" being the citizenry [this not completely without justification]. I see an IRS favoring one group over another. More examples are possible but I don't write long posts. So, while the idea that a raid upon a home for possession of an illegal or untaxed substance for personal use seems far fetched [hum, is it that far fetched?] that path is being traveled now. The government is experiencing diminishing restraint both internally and externally.

 

[Bad Ninja]

Not in my lifetime, no, I do not believe in raids by the storm troopers. I know that U.S. soldiers and law enforcement officers have the capacity to kill citizens under the orders of superiors. I recall Kent State, Ruby Ridge and Waco and unrestrained SWAT raids. I see militarized police departments populated by officers who define the job as "us versus them" with the "them" being the citizenry [this not completely without justification]. I see an IRS favoring one group over another. More examples are possible but I don't write long posts. So, while the idea that a raid upon a home for possession of an illegal or untaxed substance for personal use seems far fetched [hum, is it that far fetched?] that path is being traveled now. The government is experiencing diminishing restraint both internally and externally.

Waco and RR?
Well sure the government could accuse you of having stashes of weapons and other crimes to justify a raid, but that's waaaay off topic.

Again, stop fearing mongering. No one will ever kick your door in for your personal stash of nic and e juice supplies.

I can legally make moonshine in my back yard.
As long as I don't sell it as drinkable, no one cares.
I can brew beer and wine too.
All heavily regulated by the Feds, yet I can DIY for myself without so much as a permit.

Now setting up shop ( to make profit) is a totally different matter.

Don't ignore logic and common sense.

 

[caramel]

C'mon guys. Let's see the bright side. We'll get free vapes:

 

[CMD-Ky]

Waco and RR?
Well sure the government could accuse you of having stashes of weapons and other crimes to justify a raid, but that's waaaay off topic.

Again, stop fearing mongering. No one will ever kick your door in for your personal stash of nic and e juice supplies.

I can legally make moonshine in my back yard.
As long as I don't sell it as drinkable, no one cares.
I can brew beer and wine too.
All heavily regulated by the Feds, yet I can DIY for myself without so much as a permit.

Now setting up shop ( to make profit) is a totally different matter.

Don't ignore logic and common sense.

Noooo! Never happen here, you believe as you choose; I'll look to the past and see the future.

 

[DancingHeretik]

Doesn't it all depend on the right to bear arms?

We have a right to bear arms for a reason. And, it's a lot more than to protect ourselves from criminals. It's to protect ourselves from our government going crazy. Every government that does go crazy, starts by confiscating weapons before they show their true intentions.

Government, by its very nature, tends to go in that direction unless there are safeguards against it.

Just because it hasn't happened in this country before does not mean it won't happen. Look at all the things that are happening right now that have never happened before here.

All that said, I doubt they will ever try to confiscate our nic or even make it illegal. They'll restrict its use to help demonize it. Then, they'll slap a big ole sin tax on the demon nic.

 

[beckdg]

Tax on item makes untaxed identical item black market.

Black market goods, when found, are confiscated.

Tapatyped

 

[DC2]

If all else fails people who vape could buy organic insecticide 40% nicotine 60%water, and use that to mix juices. I can't see it getting to that point, and hope that it don't. Government regulations sometimes do more harm than good.


I got the ingredience off a bottle of insecticide out in the garage.

What's the name of that insecticide and how long have you had it?

 

[Bad Ninja]

Noooo! Never happen here, you believe as you choose; I'll look to the past and see the future.

Lol
After 47 years here I have my own educated experience to rely on...and history.
I paid attention in school too.
Can ya show me one example? Just one.

Oh and tell me, when are they coming for my beer?

 

[caramel]

Lol
After 47 years here I have my own educated experience to rely on...and history.
I paid attention in school too.
Can ya show me one example? Just one.

Oh and tell me, when are they coming for my beer?

Executive Order 6102 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

See, it was for your good health. And the children.

 

[Woofer]

Lol
After 47 years here I have my own educated experience to rely on...and history.
I paid attention in school too.
Can ya show me one example? Just one.

Oh and tell me, when are they coming for my beer?

Perhaps you have heard of prohibition?
Prohibition in the United States was a nationwide constitutional ban on the sale, production, importation, and transportation of alcoholic beverages that remained in place from 1920 to 1933.
Perhaps a better question would be when are they coming for your son.
You live in a country with a long history of conscription.
And for bonus points, which country has the highest percentage of it's citizens incarcerated?

 

[Ryedan]

What's the name of that insecticide and how long have you had it?

I suspect Rich is talking about nicotine sulfate, commercially produced as Black Leaf 40. AFAIK you can't import it into North America anymore for residential use. I don't know anything about commercial use. Been a while since I researched this stuff

 

[CMD-Ky]

Lol
After 47 years here I have my own educated experience to rely on...and history.
I paid attention in school too.
Can ya show me one example? Just one.

Oh and tell me, when are they coming for my beer?

Ninja, this saddens me because I generally agree with you but we part company on this issue. At my age, I will not live to see if I am right or wrong. However, when you approach St. Peter's Pearly Gate well after me, I'll be there to meet you - I'll ask for prior notice of your arrival - and I sincerely hope that you announce to the whole of the Heavens that CMD was a complete fool and I will be pleased.
I am going to disengage with you on this, I don't want to stomp on Robino1's last nerve of the day with my replies and ruin an otherwise very interesting discussion.

 

[DC2]

I suspect Rich is talking about nicotine sulfate, commercially produced as Black Leaf 40. AFAIK you can't import it into North America anymore for residential use. I don't know anything about commercial use. Been a while since I researched this stuff

That's why I asked.


My research shows this...
Pesticide Reregistration Status | Pesticides | US EPA

This document presents the Environmental Protection Agency’s (EPA’s or the Agency’s) decision regarding the reregistration eligibility of the registered uses of the active ingredient nicotine. The Agency conducted human health and environmental fate and effects risk assessments for nicotine non-food uses. The registrant of the sole remaining nicotine pesticide product requested the cancellation of its registration on February 25, 2008, to be effective on December 31, 2013, with existing stocks permitted to be sold by dealers and distributors for one additional year. The Agency has accepted this request in concept, and it is subject to notice and public comment. If public comment provides no information that causes the Agency to reconsider, the Agency may accept the cancellation request.

The assessment of risks for the pesticidal use of nicotine is unique in that much of the supporting data is drawn from the open literature, as opposed to studies conducted according to Agency guidelines, and the data that are available are not entirely wellmatched to anticipated routes of exposure and use patterns for the nicotine pesticide. The lack of more relevant data adds considerable uncertainty to the risk assessment and would necessitate that the Agency call-in data from a range of guideline studies. Ultimately, the process the Agency undertook to assess risks and formulate reregistration eligibility decisions was overtaken by the registrant’s request for cancellation. The Agency is finalizing this reregistration eligibility decision as a record of the database and methodologies that were used to assess nicotine and the Agency’s preliminary conclusions about the risks associated with its use.

The sole remaining nicotine registration, for which cancellation has been requested, is a Restricted Use Pesticide used on greenhouse ornamentals, including poinsettias, bedding plants, and chrysanthemums to control whiteflies, aphids, and thrips. Nicotine has been known for its pesticidal properties for centuries, and came into common use in the U.S. about sixty years ago. Production and usage are now quite limited.

Using the limited available data, EPA has assessed the human health risks for the remaining nicotine registration and has concluded that risks for workers both during and after application, and for consumers of plants from treated greenhouses and members of the public who might be exposed to nicotine residues in treated greenhouses, are potentially of concern. Nicotine is not used on any food and feed crops so dietary risks have not been assessed. Because nicotine is used in greenhouses only, drinking water and ecological risks were not assessed for this use pattern, although the Agency did assess the ecological risks associated with another nicotine product used outdoors to repel vertebrate pests of ornamentals which has since been cancelled. The ecological risk assessment and an assessment of episodic ingestion of the nicotine repellant product are posted to the nicotine docket, as are the technical documents supporting the human health risk assessment for the nicotine greenhouse use.

In other words, there are no nicotine pesticides available on the market anymore.