Here's reality according to tj, at the moment there are 6 different PV's sitting here on my desk. I can make all 6 of them taste exactly the way I want them to. VV, VW, regulated, or nothing but a battery and a switch, it makes no difference.
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Here's reality according to tj, at the moment there are 6 different PV's sitting here on my desk. I can make all 6 of them taste exactly the way I want them to. VV, VW, regulated, or nothing but a battery and a switch, it makes no difference.
Well, whatever floats your boat. You're a grown man who is capable of making their own decisions, regardless of what people say. So, if you want to go analog, your life.
Also, TJ, I think that is pprobably the most badass PV I have seen. Don't know why, but I feel it needs hot glue to hole the wire to the battery and duck tape to hold the atty to your finger.
Point is that a noob can make anything they happen to have work just fine, our job here is to show them how to get what they want out of it. Us saying that they just gotta have this PV or that PV only distracts from that.
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I actually agree with you. In fact in this thread I have been advocating people being clear that something is "In their opinion" rather than making a blanket statement that something is the best. Because for everyone things are not the same.
An example: I don't think there is anything wrong with me saying "I don't like the ego tank system" or "I really love the Kanger Pro tank". In both cases I am expressing my opinion without claiming it is the only solution. Mearly that I personally like or dislike something.
As for flavors that is WAY to variable from one person to the next to ever go beyond "I like x".
Exactly. When people come asking advice my first question is what is your budget followed by how much do you smoke. Things like battery life, maintenance, and mechanical aptitude also come into play. If there was a single pv that was perfect it would cost 1 dollar, out out clouds of vapor, adjust throat hit based on readings it takes from your body, and has a self recharging battery that can never fail.
oh no! it is starting already! LMAO
next it will be "omg the trustfire is sooooo much better than the AW! why are you using scotch tape..it should be electrical...or hello kitty duct tape! what is wrong with you?!"
a couple of things....not necessarily connected and quite possibly very random...
- not everyone is "chasing the vape"...some ppl just don't want to smoke. (p.s. that isn't me...i want it ALL...toys and being a NON smoker!)
- semi-newbies are in a lot of cases the BEST ppl to help new-newbies...they *remember* the tips/tricks/mistakes that they made as they are fresh. (and there are very few ppl that aren't newbies about *something*, i think it is pretty much impossible to have tried and done it all...and evenso...still subjective)
- i personally don't like things that are "plug n play" and never to be fiddled with again...it doesn't teach you anything and you don't *know* if you could improve the experience.
Look at all of the cigalike users that say "oh that doesn't work..didn't work for me" (i have had that said to me in real life multiple times)
that doesn't mean i don't *want* higher end things...but it will make the appreciation that much greater. kind of like "rags to riches"?
- why do ppl take their PV setups so *personally*..it ain't your thinger even if it starts with a P....grow a P(air)
- everyone on the forums/into vaping is *supposed* to be at least viewed as an adult by the law....still seeking validation and conformity? you can't vape or be my friend unless you use what i use! (i'm getting a TJ mod next! sent a PM!
)no wrap up...definitely random LOL
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Here ya go, problem solved.
Here's reality according to tj, at the moment there are 6 different PV's sitting here on my desk. I can make all 6 of them taste exactly the way I want them to. VV, VW, regulated, or nothing but a battery and a switch, it makes no difference.
That looks pocket friendly!
Hilarious.
Aaaaawwww - you can buy me one! I already know how to use a ProVari, how hard can it be?
oh no! it is starting already! LMAO
next it will be "omg the trustfire is sooooo much better than the AW! why are you using scotch tape..it should be electrical...or hello kitty duct tape! what is wrong with you?!"
a couple of things....not necessarily connected and quite possibly very random...
- not everyone is "chasing the vape"...some ppl just don't want to smoke. (p.s. that isn't me...i want it ALL...toys and being a NON smoker!)
- semi-newbies are in a lot of cases the BEST ppl to help new-newbies...they *remember* the tips/tricks/mistakes that they made as they are fresh. (and there are very few ppl that aren't newbies about *something*, i think it is pretty much impossible to have tried and done it all...and evenso...still subjective)
- i personally don't like things that are "plug n play" and never to be fiddled with again...it doesn't teach you anything and you don't *know* if you could improve the experience.
Look at all of the cigalike users that say "oh that doesn't work..didn't work for me" (i have had that said to me in real life multiple times)
that doesn't mean i don't *want* higher end things...but it will make the appreciation that much greater. kind of like "rags to riches"?
- why do ppl take their PV setups so *personally*..it ain't your thinger even if it starts with a P....grow a P(air)
- everyone on the forums/into vaping is *supposed* to be at least viewed as an adult by the law....still seeking validation and conformity? you can't vape or be my friend unless you use what i use! (i'm getting a TJ mod next! sent a PM!
no wrap up...definitely random LOL
I subjectively agree with this statement
will you buy me a provari?
The mail man picked up the package with your Provari in it about half an hour ago. I sent it priority mail. It is currently set on 4v. I sent one fully charged battery with it to get you started. You will need to find a proper charger for the battery.
I will check in once in awhile to make sure it gets to you OK.
I hope you are not going to be disappointed in it. In my opinion it is not that far from "plug n play" press the button several time and you find PU or PD, adjust to your liking. I find it simpler than a twist since I had trouble reading the dial. There are a couple of other features but on the "plug n play" aspect of it I don't think it is any harder than a twist. It is just pressing a button rather than turning a dial.
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wow is all I can say, your karma account must be overflowing!
thank you, thank you, thank you!
oh I like PnP once I understand hiw it works not PnP
like knowing how to drive a manual transmission lol
you ain't kidding about the Twist...99% if the time I pull out a flashlight and granny readers to adjust..the rest of the time I just twist and hope LOL
the Chinese must eat a lot more carrots than I do!
It may not be for the reason you might be thinking. There are several reasons. If it is no longer fun for me to be here why bother, well it could be for the information but if people are afraid to talk about some of those items when I am looking for a tightly defined item it is a bit annoying. I am searching for another tightly defined item at the moment.
I was looking around, making some more observations, and thinking about the way things unfolded. If I answer a question when someone specifically asks about a Provari and then disagree with someone that it is complicated and it causes threads like this to be created in the first place. It makes me feel I have to walk on egg shells if I have an opinion as an owner. It is not much fun if I am going to upset people if I have a different opinion and if I respond to someone asking about a specific device. Disagreement can be a healthy thing if it is allowed to be.
It then made me wonder if when I arrived and I asked my questions if some people were afraid to suggest the products I finally I ended up with. There was an absolute statement in one of the responses saying I should get nothing more than an eGo which ended up being a disaster for my purposes. Several things would have matched the specifications I called for but looking back if people were afraid to suggest them because I was new or it was controversial then bothering to ask the questions was a complete waste of time. If that is indeed what happened that bothers me a bit.
In searching for my next item when I ask specific questions and the answers come back unrelated to the question I can deal with that but if people that own devices that fit my criteria feel it is too controversial I don't want to waste my time. I will instead buy 10 items that sound like it might be it if I have to and if one of them is a perfect match I will just throw the other 9 away. If people are willing to offer suggestions that fit a criteria and some don't work out it is a little better. If I was able to instead get honest opinions and real owners were not afraid to disagree then it might only take buying 5 items to find what I want and I would have been happy to give the other 4 away to members that might want them. The fact that trying to answer a question as an owner can create drama rather than just simple disagreement starts to make me question the validity of the pool of answers.
If there is disagreement I can work with that, in fact it can be helpful. It will get me asking questions on the points of contention, I can learn some thing by doing that. I can take those responses and ask myself how that applies to me and get closer to a good fit.
In a nutshell:
i don't think I am being a spoiled child. It is just not worth it to me if I have to walk on egg shells to voice an opinion, I am not out here trashing other peoples choices. It is not worth it if disagreeing causes all kinds of drama. A lot of information can come out of disagreement, it is harder to pull information from drama and it seems I cause some of that around here.
If I ask questions and people who own the products are reluctant to respond because of controversy I am not sure if I should trust the validity of the sample. Why should I bother to ask if I don't get responses from people with those devices and if they don't read the question?
If I no longer gain anything from being out here no matter if it is just for fun, to be a distraction, or if I can't get a full variety of feedback from those that have used the product and like it and from those that don't (saying it sucks does not help, I want more specific information than that) then what is the point?
If I can create drama because I am an owner and like a product that seems to be wrapped in drama it makes no sense for me to be out here. I have better things to do with my time.
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Please tell me you're not looking for a Bobo...
ETA: Never mind. I'm sorry. Bobos look like great devices.
ETA: Never mind. I'm sorry. Bobos look like great devices.
JJOOHHNN^^^^ you are my new hero! I totally mean that! When it ceases to be fun, then what's the point? I'm not leaving the forum yet, buy I am curtailing my posting for a long while.
Just so tired of the wasted energy over this tired debate.
Just so tired of the wasted energy over this tired debate.
wow is all I can say, your karma account must be overflowing!
thank you, thank you, thank you!
oh I like PnP once I understand hiw it works not PnP
like knowing how to drive a manual transmission lol
you ain't kidding about the Twist...99% if the time I pull out a flashlight and granny readers to adjust..the rest of the time I just twist and hope LOL
the Chinese must eat a lot more carrots than I do!
I will pop in once in awhile to find out if it arrives OK.
I want something that I can use while on rope climbing a mountain, flying down a steep 8 mile curvy downhill on a bicycle as part of a 200 mile ride and I need to keep both hands on the bars, something that I can use when running 10 miles across a pasture, something that I can use while chopping wood.
After looking back at suggestions I got for items and the path that I took I think I could have benefited from fan boys disagreeing with each other. I could pick the information as it applies to me from the debate. If they are afraid to show up I don't benefit as much from the responses. I can't pull much good information though when it is nothing but name calling. I don't mind making errors when there is a lot of good information and would have happily givven my bad purchases to other members.
I am going to do my search on my own and throw away what is not useful to me. I don't know any vapors in real life. I actually only know 1 smoker who ended up with my eGo stuff. I am kind of from a high energy roll up your sleeves and sweat crowd.
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At the risk of hijacking the thread (again), I'm collecting info on something lightweight for a friend. Weight is the major consideration, since it is to be used for limited periods of time to keep cravings at bay, not as an all day vape. So far, I've got the eRoll at .4oz and the NJoy King at .2oz.
May I suggest the same to you? You obviously have not read this entire thread.
I do not want to make anyone leave this forum. It isn't necessary. We all have an opinion and the right to give it. Anyone who thinks I don't believe in that statement is not getting the point.
Scoop: you obviously like the debate because you keep coming over "here" to make your same point. It is almost like you don't read what I have said, many, many times over. I do not hate the "P" or its obviously satisfied users. I am NOT going to keep repeating myself, over and over. It IS getting old.
John: I have also said many times that this is not worth leaving the forum. If you choose to do so, I am sorry. I feel as if you are trying to give ME a guilt trip over starting this thread (which was originally in the OUTSIDE) and I CHOOSE not to feel guilty for stating my opinions and I do not feel guilty for starting this thread.
If you are looking for information about a specific device, there is an entire subforum dedicated to the "P." The New Members Forum is supposed to HELP new members in their continuous vaping journey. I thought (and still do) that a new user should try less expensive devices to LEARN with. That is my right, as it is the right of others to disagree.
Anyone using this thread as an excuse to throw away this whole forum and/or go back to smoking stinkies obviously has other problems that they should attend to.
I refuse to post anything more in this thread. Everything I believe has already been stated many times here. If you don't understand where I am coming from, I can't keep repeating it over and over.
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