Oh trust me, there is a lot to argue about, just wait and see.
Just because a lot of arguing will happen doesn't mean there is something to argue about xD
IHOP bans indoor vaping
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Just because a lot of arguing will happen doesn't mean there is something to argue about xD
Vapors are doomed..More battle lines pop up every day ..might is well bend over and take it just hope they use lube when they do it..cause in the end we are all going to get screwed
While I don't like the idea of banning vaping in general, with something like this where you can emit a visible cloud with a noticeable smell, it's perfectly acceptable for any business to decide not to allow it. When smoking was legal indoors, it was fine for businesses to do the same. It's no more appalling than no shirt, no shoes 
I would, however, appreciate if a company ever went the extra mile to show that they understand the difference between smoking and vapng.
I would, however, appreciate if a company ever went the extra mile to show that they understand the difference between smoking and vapng.
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Battle lines? At IHOP? ahhh.. I remember well the fall of 2013, that's when we lost the pancake battle... the things I saw... well... they really crepe'd me out!
Moral of the story: Stupid people become who make stupid choices are the reason signs like this are necessary...most people won't vape in a restaurant...and if they do they'll stealth vape. They're not gonna pop out with an RBA on a huge mod and exhale a giant cloud to get everyones attention...unless they're stupid and they're vaping not because they enjoy it, but because they want to look cool.
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Battle lines? At IHOP? ahhh.. I remember well the fall of 2013, that's when we lost the pancake battle... the things I saw... well... they really crepe'd me out
just a figure of speech..the way I see it is everywhere these no vaping signs go up is another loss to our cause
just a figure of speech..the way I see it is everywhere these no vaping signs go up is another loss to our cause
wait... we have a cause?
What's our mission statement? No Vape Left behind? We came, We Saw, We Vaped?
It's not a cause... it's a choice. And businesses have the right to decide what they want to allow on their premises. And post it. Unless of course, perhaps we should get the government involved, and demand that they force people to allow what we think is right, so that we can do what we want on their private property.
What's our mission statement? No Vape Left behind? We came, We Saw, We Vaped?
It's not a cause... it's a choice. And businesses have the right to decide what they want to allow on their premises. And post it. Unless of course, perhaps we should get the government involved, and demand that they force people to allow what we think is right, so that we can do what we want on their private property.
While I agree with your logic it could be argued that the issue here is not whether or not it's appropriate to vape in a restaurant (it isn't unless specifically allowed and not if it bothers the other patrons) but that obnoxious dolts paint vapers in a bad light which makes it that much harder for the rest of us to gain acceptance from the general public.
This kind of behavior needs to be discouraged.
To some people, any vaping at all is obnoxious. At least in a restaurant. I might be one of those people.
To anyone who doesn't already believe or know that vaping will ultimately be equalized with smoking in every way measurable (regulated sales, taxed, and socially/legally ostracized), you are delusional.
Fight the good fight and all that, but the outcome is inevitable.
Fight the good fight and all that, but the outcome is inevitable.
This has to be one of the poorest excuses for some type of rebuttal argument I've ever read, even for the Internet.
You obviously Vape and enjoy it or you wouldn't be here. Therefore you have a cause: keeping it legal and as unregulated as possible. Do businesses have the right to ban vaping? Absolutely, that's their prerogative. The simple fact here is that from the OP this thread has degraded to the levels of "Choco-taco" and it's not just about vaping in some IHOP. The point was if we as vapers take a backseat and just let things run their course we will be pushed out of public spaces just like smokers along with the government oversight the accompanies it. You make smart-a** comments about the government forcing places to allow us to Vape but at the same time you will be on this forum crying up a storm when uninformed people push the government into forcing us not to Vape.
Sorry, I'll quit feeding the troll.
People daily ask why we get treated like we do. Because it looks like smoking?
Not this time, I'll bet.
Probably some better than thou Fool trying to prove they can do what they want.
I smoked for over 45 years. I've Vaped for over a year now. I have NEVER wanted anyone blowing clouds in my face or around me while I'm trying to unwind and enjoy a meal.
A danger or not, it is just plain rude to the rest of the patrons and employees having to deal with it.
Show no respect, expect NO respect.
Not this time, I'll bet.
Probably some better than thou Fool trying to prove they can do what they want.
I smoked for over 45 years. I've Vaped for over a year now. I have NEVER wanted anyone blowing clouds in my face or around me while I'm trying to unwind and enjoy a meal.
A danger or not, it is just plain rude to the rest of the patrons and employees having to deal with it.
Show no respect, expect NO respect.
I dunno...that's kinda like saying, "I don't vote 'cause it won't make a difference anyway."
Delusional? Maybe. Idealistic? Certainly. But then again I've never been a big fan of defeatism.
So is this a National Ban or Just that store...? Either way they Do not Get My Business...
Wouldn't be so bad if people wouldn't be so flagrant about vaping.
A business, open to the public, actually doesn't have the right to decide what they want to allow on their premises. Businesses, open to the public, must operate within the local, state, and federal laws, regulations, and ordinances regarding public health and safety.
They do, however, have the right to refuse service to anyone for any reason not involving race, color, creed, origin, sexual preference, disabilities, or any other civil rights/liberties. So refusing to allow vaping indoors, even if it is legal, is indeed their right...because vaping does not fall under civil rights or liberties. Same goes for use of cell phones, foul language, being disruptive, etc...
whoa, lighten up a moment- I think it is a real problem why some folks NEED to vape 24/7. what's up with the nicotine intake? if you can't go an hour without having to sneak a vape or do it openly there is something more going on than just demanding "your right" to vape. I've asked it before and I will again- did you smoke in church? on an elevator? in an IHOP ? some people don't like smoke and some people don't like vaping. yes I know it isn't the same but not everyone does. and even if they do know they still may not like it. if you HAVE or WANT to vape everywhere it isn't about the nicotine, it's about thumbing your nose at anybody who's trying to "tell me what I can and can't do". personally, I try to get along with people. it just doesn't bother me if a business doesn't want me to do it. as long as I can still do it legally wherever I can. I think some folks just like to be ...... off about something and if it isn't vaping in an IHOP it will be something else.
on a better note- the red sox beat the Yankees tonight so all is good.....
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I have No problem being Discreet, But I am NOT going to stand out side with the Smokers No way!! Until You can tell me that the Vapor is Harming Anyone but Myself I will Puff where ever I please. I do not Cloud the Place But I am not going to be treated like the Smelly Analog Smoker I was.
And I refuse to accept the Fact that people "think" they are the same thing and therefore "inevitable" that I will Have to follow the Old rules...Taxing and Regulations Fine But being told to stand some place, Nah...That is why You have to take the Time and answer the questions that Come your way...and if they will Not listen Leave and spend my Time and Money Elsewhere...
We Can not sit back and Let your Scenario Play out. We have to get our stories out there and Make sure that DOES NOT HAPPEN!!
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Funny that a place which serves plate loads of fats covered in sugars would get upset about a little heated glycerin.
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