IHOP bans indoor vaping

[peterforpats]

This has to be one of the poorest excuses for some type of rebuttal argument I've ever read, even for the Internet.
You obviously vape and enjoy it or you wouldn't be here. Therefore you have a cause: keeping it legal and as unregulated as possible. Do businesses have the right to ban vaping? Absolutely, that's their prerogative. The simple fact here is that from the OP this thread has degraded to the levels of "Choco-taco" and it's not just about vaping in some IHOP. The point was if we as vapers take a backseat and just let things run their course we will be pushed out of public spaces just like smokers along with the government oversight the accompanies it. You make smart-a** comments about the government forcing places to allow us to Vape but at the same time you will be on this forum crying up a storm when uninformed people push the government into forcing us not to Vape.

Sorry, I'll quit feeding the troll.

anyone who doesn't agree with you is a troll? never felt prouder to be a troll...and it isn't my post...

 

[propagandax]

Who cares if an incident prompted this action?

If nobody vaped in IHOP then nobody would have complained.
And if nobody would have complained then nobody would have put up a sign.

But if nobody would have vaped in IHOP then nobody would have vaped in IHOP.
So what does it matter, if you don't think people should vape in IHOP, that there is now a sign that says so.

You got what you wanted, they got what they wanted, and the only thing that has changed is nothing.

This post is great!

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[peterforpats]

Funny that a place which serves plate loads of fats covered in sugars would get upset about a little heated glycerin.

well, you do need fat and sugar to live, don't know about heated glycerin......

 

[TigerLadyTX]

I will be honest and say that I DO vape at the IHOP when I go, which is seldom. I will vape at ANY place that I go, but if it is a non-smoking place, then I will stealth vape. All anyone can possibly see is my eGo rig going to my lips.. and nothing coming back out of my nose, or mouth. For all they know, its some sort of odd straw that I am sipping from.

~Tiger

 

[Orobas]

Yeah, well.

One of the things I love about vaping is that it's not as urgent a need as smoking was. I can sit through a nice dinner without getting antsy for my nicotine.

Chemistry class is another story, though..

 

[Zealous]

whoa, lighten up a moment- I think it is a real problem why some folks NEED to vape 24/7. what's up with the nicotine intake? if you can't go an hour without having to sneak a vape or do it openly there is something more going on than just demanding "your right" to vape. I've asked it before and I will again- did you smoke in church? on an elevator? in an IHOP ? some people don't like smoke and some people don't like vaping. yes I know it isn't the same but not everyone does. and even if they do know they still may not like it. if you HAVE or WANT to vape everywhere it isn't about the nicotine, it's about thumbing your nose at anybody who's trying to "tell me what I can and can't do". personally, I try to get along with people. it just doesn't bother me if a business doesn't want me to do it. as long as I can still do it legally wherever I can. I think some folks just like to be ...... off about something and if it isn't vaping in an IHOP it will be something else.

on a better note- the red sox beat the Yankees tonight so all is good.....

I think DC2's point is really that if we have these mental ideas of where it is & isn't ok to vape & those ideas are all based on places we are not allowed to smoke we are only agreeing that vaping is just like smoking. His point is that vaping is NOT smoking.

I do not think DC2 is rude in his vaping habits (although maybe he's super rude idk I don't know him lol. it's an assumption based on his posts). But I do think that he's right in that we can't act like we are blowing a toxic cloud of smoke into the environment thus causing everyone around us to have their lungs polluted.

The reality is that we don't know exactly the affects of ecigarette vapor, but we do know it is not nearly as bad as smoking & that it actually dissipates pretty quickly if you're not blowing out huge clouds. So then technically if a vaper is being RESPECTFUL they should not be bothering anyone. And if they are bothering someone then it is an opportunity to interact with that person & maybe help them learn about ecigarettes. They might still hate it & might still complain & the sign might still go up. But at least a chance was taken.

I take my kids to the IHOP. They bother people sometimes (people who don't like kids; they are good kids lol). But unlike with vaping, my kids can't be banned from the IHOP cuz people don't have the luxury of complaining without looking like big jerks. With vaping it's different because those type people are already armed with all the bad stuff smoking has done so they can easily use that ammo against vaping & cause a stink. But if no one ever takes a chance & steps outside the lines once in a while we are simply saying we agree with those who complain about it.

 

[Plumes.91]

There will always be those that vape inside Ihops and those whom oppose them. Pick a side wisely, the fate of the republic depends on it.

 

[peterforpats]

To anyone who doesn't already believe or know that vaping will ultimately be equalized with smoking in every way measurable (regulated sales, taxed, and socially/legally ostracized), you are delusional.

Fight the good fight and all that, but the outcome is inevitable.

I am delusional? you are the one with a nicotine addiction and wants the world to accommodate your every whim?. I was a smoker for 45 years and I can vape for 45 years more. i'll feel better and be healthier. i'll fight the good fight and vaping won't be going anywhere no matter what happens....

 

[WCSR]

What's real interesting is that IHOP sells steaming cups of caffeine. Caffeine is a poison just like nicotine. Who knows how much of that caffeine I'm inhaling. Do people who choose not to drink caffeine not have the same rights, not to be subjected to possible caffeine steam, as non-nicotine users have of not being subjected to the possible nicotine steam that comes from an e-cig?


I mean... If we're going to crack down on one steaming thing that "may cause harm", why don't we crack down on it all?



:Note: This is NOT what I want. I don't want to deny people of their coffee, because we know all hell would break loose. I'm just pondering where the line is to be drawn.

 

[Zealous]

What's real interesting is that IHOP sells steaming cups of caffeine. Caffeine is a poison just like nicotine. Who knows how much of that caffeine I'm inhaling. Do people who choose not to drink caffeine not have the same rights, not to be subjected to possible caffeine steam, as non-nicotine users have of not being subjected to the possible nicotine steam that comes from an e-cig?


I mean... If we're going to crack down on one steaming thing that "may cause harm", why don't we crack down on it all?



:Note: This is NOT what I want. I don't want to deny people of their coffee, because we know all hell would break loose. I'm just pondering where the line is to be drawn.

I'd be perfectly happy to have someone do away with IHOP coffee. It's aweful lol. They should not be polluting my nostrils with that yuck....but I'll put up with it I guess cuz I'm tolerant that way.

 

[buzzkill657]

probably some immature people having a vapor contest to see who can make the biggest cloud.

its always one apple that spoils the bushel

 

[onjre]

If you went around spitting on people you'd get banned from a restaurant too. Not because its a health hazard. Because it offends people.

On the flip side, consider what a sacrifice iHOP has to make to follow their own rules. No device that produces vapors! That place has no more coffee no more waffles, no more stove. Maybe we should hang a sign like that up at our local power plant. "No Vapors!"

 

[DlyDragger]

anyone who doesn't agree with you is a troll? never felt prouder to be a troll...and it isn't my post...

This confuses me. I read through your post prior to this an we're mostly on the same page. I never said anything about rudely vaping or intentionally pushing boundaries. You stated that you were happy to Vape where you were allowed, my point was that if we don't make an effort to educate people, we won't be "allowed" to Vape anywhere. Entire cities are trying to regulate vaping out of existence and if your not doing something to help prevent it then you have no one but yourself to blame.

 

[WCSR]

but I'll put up with it I guess cuz I'm tolerant that way.

Exactly... I will to, be I am also tolerant. The problem is that the intolerant have big mouths and nothing better to do than cry. I also bet those that are intolerant of vaping are the same people that have a Starbucks gold card.

 

[JasonK94Z]

Wow. Didn't want this post to turn into a crap fest.
The whole point was all it takes is one idiot who insists that it is their right to vape within every single square inch of the country at any time to ruin it all for everyone else.
Perhaps your fog stinks to someone else. Maybe you vapor cloud is annoying another customer that's next to you.

Have some self control and respect for others around you!

 

[Mike Sheda]

Wow. Didn't want this post to turn into a crap fest.
The whole point was all it takes is one idiot who insists that it is their right to vape within every single square inch of the country at any time to ruin it all for everyone else.
Perhaps your fog stinks to someone else. Maybe you vapor cloud is annoying another customer that's next to you.

Have some self control and respect for others around you!

ooops.... sorry... I shouldn't have had the baked beans.... and I won't use my PV either like I was going to.

Folks, vape where you want, but use common sense is all. If someone asks you to stop, ask why, explain what you're doing, but don't make a scene. It's really that easy. It doesn't take several pages of internet postings to chew it over.
It's not a cause, it's not a battle, it's an education thing. We need to overcome ignorance and years of propaganda. Making a stink about it isn't helping. OK.. so no vaping allowed here... so, don't go there if it offends you so much.

I've been kicked out of restaurants (even back when smoking was allowed in restaurants)... do you know what it takes to be kicked out of a Denny's? The RHPS shadow cast from Indy does

 

[MrGimp]

To be honest I think not vaping in a restaurant is common courtesy some of these vapors do have very strong Scents and that can interfere with somebody else's meal. I mean you wouldn't like some hippie taking up station behind you in a booth and lighting off really stinking ... smelling incense or something right. Or any other scent you find obnoxious.
Anything can be pushed into the realm of asshattery if people don't employ courtesy.

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[akfo7]

I don't vape indoors anywhere I wouldn't smoke except in my home and office.

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[peterforpats]

What's real interesting is that IHOP sells steaming cups of caffeine. Caffeine is a poison just like nicotine. Who knows how much of that caffeine I'm inhaling. Do people who choose not to drink caffeine not have the same rights, not to be subjected to possible caffeine steam, as non-nicotine users have of not being subjected to the possible nicotine steam that comes from an e-cig?


I mean... If we're going to crack down on one steaming thing that "may cause harm", why don't we crack down on it all?



:Note: This is NOT what I want. I don't want to deny people of their coffee, because we know all hell would break loose. I'm just pondering where the line is to be drawn.

have you ever been in an ihop? never seen a steaming cup of coffee yet. how many people carry around percolaters with batteries and inhale coffee steam all day? the coffee example is as lame as ever- there is nothing about drinking coffee that is the same as vaping.

 

[InTheShade]

If you went around spitting on people you'd get banned from a restaurant too. Not because its a health hazard. Because it offends people.

On the flip side, consider what a sacrifice iHOP has to make to follow their own rules. No device that produces vapors! That place has no more coffee no more waffles, no more stove. Maybe we should hang a sign like that up at our local power plant. "No Vapors!"

This I like. You should get a buddy to go in to that IHOP and get a cup of coffee. Then go in, approach your friend and scream - THIS IS PRODUCING VAPORS - and ask for him to be removed.

Then, when your buddy is outside, eat his waffles.

Don't leave a tip.